# Accident 19910110003519A: Piper PA28181, Ramona, CA, January 10, 1991

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: January 10, 1991, 11:15 local time
- Place: Ramona, CA
- Airport: Ramona Airport
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Phase of flight: Takeoff Ground Roll
- Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91)
- Location: 33.0705° N, 116.8294° W: From the FAA, an estimate near the named town, within about 3 miles
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.0705&lon=-116.8294&mi=10
- Aircraft: N8309H, a cancelled registration (https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8309H-1993-11-29) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-28-181 (registry code 7102807, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-181) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA28181
- Reported engine: LYC O360A4M
- People aboard: 1
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Pilot flight hours: 83 total, 78 in this make and model, 22 in the last 90 days
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB LAX91LA071](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX91LA071) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/19910110003519A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

LOST DIRECTIONAL CONTROL ON TAKEOFF SKIDDED OFF RUNWAY AND STRUCK A DIRT BERM.

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB LAX91LA071](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX91LA071), Jan 10, 1991: Piper PA-28-181 (N8309H), Ramona, CA, substantial damage. Probable cause: THE PILOT'S FAILURE TO MAINTAIN DIRECTIONAL CONTROL OF THE AIRPLANE DURING AN ATTEMPTED TAKEOFF. A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR WAS RELATED TO THE STUDENT'S IMPROPER USE OF RUDDER CONTROL.

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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