# Accident 19991020047429A: Piper PA24250, Bozeman, MT, October 20, 1999

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: October 20, 1999, 10:00 local time
- Place: Bozeman, MT
- Airport: Gallatin Fld
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Phase of flight: Sfl Final Approach
- Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91)
- Location: 45.2598° N, 111.3202° W: From the FAA, an estimate near the named town, within about 3 miles
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=45.2598&lon=-111.3202&mi=10
- Aircraft: N8078P, registered now (https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N8078P) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-24-250 (registry code 7102404, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-24-250) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: Lycoming 0-540 series (registry code 41532, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-540-series) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA24250
- Reported engine: LYC O540A1D5
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Pilot flight hours: 3,392 total, 66 in this make and model, 69 in the last 90 days
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB SEA00LA006](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/SEA00LA006) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/19991020047429A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

(.4) THE PRIVATE PILOT, WHOSE FLIGHT REVIEW HAD EXPIRED, WAS IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING A FLIGHT REVIEW RECURRENCY FLIGHT, WHEN THE INSTRUCTOR REDUCED THE POWER AND ASKED HIM TO EXECUTE A SIMULATED FORCED LANDING. AS HE STRETCHED THE GLIDE IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT TO THE APPROACH END OF THE RUNWAY, THE AIRSPEED BECAME LOWER THAN NORMAL APPROACH SPEED. ALTHOUGH THE AIRCRAFT WAS ABLE TO REACH THE END OF THE RUNWAY, JUST AFTER IT CROSSED THE THRESHOLD, IT DROPPED ONTO THE RUNWAY WITH SUFFICIENT FORCE TO CAUSE SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE. ALTHOUGH THE AIRSPEED HAD SLOWED BELOW NORMAL APPROACH SPEED AS THE AIRCRAFT NEARED THE APPROACH END OF THE RUNWAY, THE INSTRUCTOR PILOT DID NOT ADD POWER, NOR DID SHE CALL FOR TERMINATION OF THE SIMULATED FORCED LANDING EXERCISE. (-23) DUAL INSTRUCTION SITUATION--PIC/CFI IN RIGHT SEAT ("PNF" PILOT-NOT-FLYING), BFR APPLICANT IN LEFT SEAT ("PF" PILOT-FLYING, BFR EXPIRED): PNF MARSHALL INITIATED SIMULATED FORCED LANDING IN BZN RWY 21 TRAFFIC PATTERN. PF HOENIG STATED HE THOUGHT HE COULD NOT GLIDE TO RUNWAY, BUT SAID NOTHING TO CFI. CFI STATES SHE FIRST ADDED POWER TO EXTEND GLIDE, THEN REDUCED IT AGAI                                                            N. PF HOENIG STATED HE TRIED TO "STRETCH THE GLIDE" (APPLIED BACK PRESSURE) JUST AS PNF REDUCED POWER. RESULTING AIRSPEED LOSS REPORTEDLY PRECIPITATED A HIGH RATE OF SINK, FOLLOWED BY THE HARD LANDING. CFI DECLINED TO GRANT BFR ENDORSEMENT. RIGHT LANDING GEAR AND WING DAMAGED; ENGINE MOUNT BENT. BOTH PILOTS STATED MINOR INJURIES CONSISTED OF ONLY SORE MUSCLES.

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB SEA00LA006](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/SEA00LA006), Oct 20, 1999: Piper PA-24-250 (N8078P), Bozeman, MT, substantial damage. Probable cause: The pilot-in-command's (CFI) failure to take remedial action. Factors include the private pilot letting the airspeed get too low.

## Other reports on N8078P (1)

Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date.

- [Incident 19821208065899I](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19821208065899I), Dec 8, 1982: Piper PA24250 (N8078P), Bridgeport, CT, Minor damage. Landing gear jammed partially extended on approach. On landing, gear collapsed into wheel wells.

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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