# Accident 20001107038919A: Piper J3C65, Greenville, NY, November 7, 2000 - Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported - Date: November 7, 2000, 11:00 local time - Place: Greenville, NY - Damage: Substantial damage - Phase of flight: Forced/Precautionary Landing - Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91) - Location: 41.4407° N, 74.4200° W: From the FAA, an estimate near the named town, within about 3 miles - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=41.4407&lon=-74.4200&mi=10 - Aircraft: N33538, registered now (https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N33538) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry model: Piper J3C-65 (registry code 7100510, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-j3c-65) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: Continental A&C65 series (registry code 17003, https://openairdocs.org/engine/continental-a-c65-series) (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: PIPER J3C65 - Reported engine: CONT A658 - Fatal injuries: 0 - Pilot flight hours: 560 total, 46 in this make and model - NTSB investigation: [NTSB NYC01LA031](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC01LA031) (OpenAirDocs) - FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/) - Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20001107038919A ## Narrative As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^. (-23) ON NOV. 7, 2000, THE FLIGHT DEPARTED A PRIVATE RUNWAY AT LEWIS LANDING. THE A/C DEPARTED THE RUNWAY AND CLIMBED TO APPROX. 50 FEET AGL WHEN THE ENGINE STOPPED. THE A/C LANDED IN A FIELD ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE RUNWAY AFTER STRIKING A TREE LINE. THE A/C HAD AN ANNUAL INSPECTION ON 12/99 AND ALL MAINTENANCE WAS PERFORMED PROPERLY. THE A/C WAS USING AUTO FUEL AND HAD AN STC ENTERED IN IT'S LOGBOOK. IT WAS NOTED THAT ALL COMPONENTS OF THE ENGINE WERE OPERATING PROPERLY AND THE A/C HAD FUEL IN ITS TANK. FUEL FILTER WAS FREE OF DIRT AND WATER ALL 4 CYLINDERS HAD GOOD COMPRESSION AND VALVES OPERATED. THE FUEL TANK SHUTOFF WORKED PROPERLY. MAGS CHECKED GOOD. THE ENGINE STOPPED BECAUSE OF FUEL EXHAUSTION. (.4)ON NOVEMBER 7, 2000, ABOUT 1100 EASTERN STANDARD TIME, A PIPER J3C-65, NC33538, WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED DURING A FORCED LANDING AFTER TAKEOFF FROM LEWIS LANDING AIRPORT (NK79), NEAR MIDDLETOWN, NEW YORK. THE CERTIFICATED RECREATIONAL PILOT SUSTAINED MINOR INJURIES, AND THE PASSENGER WAS SERIOUSLY INJURED. VISUAL METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS PREVAILED, AND NO FLIGHT PLAN WAS FILED FOR THE LOCAL PERSONAL FLIGHT CONDUCTED UNDER 14 CFR PART 91. TH E PILOT STATED THAT HE STARTED THE ENGINE, AND LET IT "WARM UP" FOR 10 MINUTES. THEN HE TAXIED TO RUNWAY 26 AT NK79, AND PERFORMED A RUN-UP. EVERYTHING SEEMED NORMAL, AND HE DEPARTED RUNWAY 26. ABOUT 150 FEET ABOVE THE GROUND, THE ENGINE LOST ALL POWER. THE PILOT PERFORMED A FORCED LANDING INTO TREES, AND THE AIRPLANE CAME TO REST ON ITS RIGHT SIDE. THE PILOT ADDED THAT THE AIRPLANE "FELT LIKE IT RAN OUT OF FUEL." HOWEVER, HE STATED THAT THERE WAS PLENTY OF FUEL ONBOARD, AND THE FUEL SELECTOR WAS SELECTED TO THE "ON" POSITION. HE FURTHER STATED THAT THE FUEL SELECTOR WOULD HAVE TO BE "ON" FOR THE AIRPLANE TO IDLE FOR 10 MINUTES, TAXI, AND RUN-UP. HE BELIEVED THAT THE FUEL VALVE MIGHT HAVE VIBRATED PARTIALLY CLOSED. A FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION INSPECTOR EXAMINED THE AIRPLANE. WHILE ROTATING THE CRANKSHAFT BY HAND, HE OBTAINED THUMB COMPRESSION AND CONFIRMED VALVE TRAIN CONTINUITY ON ALL CYLINDERS. HE ALSO ROTATED BOTH MAGNETOS BY HAND, AND THEY PRODUCED SPARK AT ALL LEADS. THE INSPECTOR ADDED THAT FUEL WAS LEAKING OUT OF THE AIRPLANE AFTER THE ACCIDENT, AND A WITNESS MOVED THE FUEL SELECTOR TO THE "OFF" POSITION. AFTER THE SCENE WAS SECURE, THE WITNESS FELT THAT HE SHOULD LEAVE THE AIRPLANE AS IT WAS FOUND IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ACCIDENT, AND MOVED THE FUEL SELECTOR BACK TO THE "ON" POSITION. THE INSPECTOR DID NOT OBSERVE FUEL IN THE CARBURETOR, BUT DID OBSERVE FUEL IN THE GASCOLATOR. HOWEVER, HE REITERATED THAT THE AIRPLANE WAS SOMEWHAT INVERTED AND THE FUEL SELECTOR WAS MOVED FROM "ON" TO "OFF" TO "ON". ADDITIONALLY, THE FUEL APPEARED ABSENT OF CONTAMINATION. ACCORDING TO THE PILOT, THE AIRPLANE ENGINE WAS MANUFACTURED IN 1963. IT HAD A TOTAL TIME OF 1240.2 HOURS, AND 800.2 HOURS SINCE OVERHAUL. THE OWNER STATED THAT HE MISPLACED THE ENGINE LOGBOOK, AND WAS NOT SURE OF THE EXACT DATE OF OVERHAUL. HE BELIEVED THE ENGINE WAS LAST OVERHAULED SOMETIME DURING THE 1970'S. ## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1) From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. - [NTSB NYC01LA031](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC01LA031), Nov 7, 2000: Piper J3C-65 (N33538), Middletown, NY, substantial damage. Probable cause: A total loss of engine power for undetermined reasons. From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record. --- OpenAirDocs.org is an independent research project of [Contrail Labs](https://contraillabs.com/). It is not affiliated with the FAA or the NTSB. Source documents are U.S. government works in the public domain.