# Incident 20011214038349I: Piper PA30, Camarillo, CA, December 14, 2001 - Type: FAA incident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported - Date: December 14, 2001, 12:30 local time - Place: Camarillo, CA - Airport: Camarillo Airport - Damage: Minor damage - Phase of flight: Touch And Go Landing - Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91) - Location: 34.2138° N, 119.0944° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs at CAMARILLO (CMA), within about a mile (OpenAirDocs) - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=34.2138&lon=-119.0944&mi=10 - Aircraft: N8674Y, a cancelled registration (https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8674Y-2019-09-20) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry model: Piper PA-30 (registry code 7103002, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-30) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: Lycoming IO-320 series (registry code 41509, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-io-320-series) (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: PIPER PA30 - Pilot flight hours: 14,264 total - FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/) - Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20011214038349I ## Narrative As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^. (-23) DECEMBER 5, 2001 WHILE AT THE CAMARILLO CALIFORNIA AIRPORT PERFORMING AN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT CONFORMITY INSPECTION I WAS INFORMED THAT THE AIRPORT HAD BEEN CLOSED BECAUSE AN AIRCRAFT HAD MADE A GEAR UP LANDING AND WAS BLOCKING THE RUNWAY. AFTER FINISHING THE CONFORMITY ABOUT 15 MINUTES LATER, INSPECTOR MOTTER AND I WENT TO THE AIRPORT CONTROL TOWER TO OBTAIN PERMISSION TO GO OUT ON THE RUNWAY. THE TOWER MANAGER ARRANGED AN ESCORT FOR US TO THE INCIDENT SITE. UPON ARRIVAL AT THE SITE, ABOUT 30 MINUTES AFTER THE INCIDENT, GROUND PERSONNEL WERE PRESENT AND HAD LIFTED THE TWIN COMANCHE N8674Y, WITH FLOOR JACKS AND PLACED A SMALL FURNITURE DOLLY UNDER THE FUSELAGE IN AN ATTEMPT TO MOVE THE AIRCRAFT OFF THE RUNWAY. THE OWNER OF THE AIRCRAFT WAS PRESENT AT THE SITE AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE HAD BOARDED THE AIRCRAFT AND OBSERVED THAT THE LANDING GEAR ELECTRIC MOTOR CIRCUIT BREAKER WAS POPPED. HE ALSO STATED THAT HE HAD REMOVED THE COVER TO ACCESS THE EMERGENCY LANDING GEAR SYSTEM TO SEE WHAT POSITION IT WAS IN. THE FURNITURE DOLLY WAS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO HOLD THE WEIGHT OF THE AIRCRAFT SO THE GROUND PERSONNEL CALLED FOR A CRANE TO LIFT THE AIRCRAFT HIGH ENOUGH TO LOWER AND SECURE THELANDING GEAR AND TOW THE AIRCRAFT OFF THE RUNWAY. I INSPECTED AND PHOTOGRAPHED THE AIRCRAFT AND INSPECTOR MOTTER MEASURED AND MAPPED THE PROP STRIKE AND TIRE SKID MARKS ON THE RUNWAY WHICH WERE OVER 150 YARDS LONG. THE IMPACT MARKS ON THE RUNWAY INDICATE THAT THE RIGHT PROPELLER TIPS TOUCHED THE RUNWAY FIRST MAKING SEVERAL DEEP GOUGES IN THE RUNWAY SURFACE FOLLOWED BY THE RIGHT WING TIP TANK WHICH LEFT A 15 FOOT LONG WHITE PAINT MARK ON THE SURFACE. THEN THE RIGHT WING WAS LIFTED OFF THE RUNWAY AND THE LEFT PROPELLER TIPS MADE SEVERAL DEEP GOUGES IN THE RUNWAY SURFACE LESS THAN A FOOT APART AND THEN IT WAS LIFTED OFF THE RUNWAY. THE RIGHT LANDING GEAR TIRE MADE A SKID MARK WITH THE EDGE OF THE TIRE 2 INCHES WIDE INDICATING IT WAS ONLY PARTILLAY EXTENDED. THE NOSE TIRE MADE A SKID MARK 8 INCHES WIDE INDICATING IT WAS ONLY PARTIALLY EXTENDED. THE NOSE TIRE MADE A SKID MARK 8 INCHES WIDE INDICATING THAT THE WHEEL WAS TURNED OFF CENTER. 50 FEET FURTHER DOWN THE RUNWAY BOTH PROPELLERS BEGAN TOUCHING THE RUNWAY AGAIN LEAVING MANY IMPACT MARKS. BOTH PROPELLER TIPS WERE CURLED BACK SIGNIFICANTLY. THE TIRE SKID MARKS CONTINUED FOR 150 YARDS UNTIL THE AIRCRAFT CAME TO A STOP. THE SKID MARKS CURVED TO THE RIGHT AND THE AIRCRAFT CAME TO A STOP NEAR THE EDGE OF THE RUNWAY. THE BELLY OF THE AIRCRAFT AND THE BOTTOM OF THE FLAPS WERE ALSO DAMAGED INDICATING THAT THE FLAPS WERE IN THE DOWN POSITION. THE OWNER OF THE AIRCRAFT TOLD ME THAT HE RAISED THE FLAPS TO AVOID ANY FURTHER DAMAGE WHEN THEY TRIED TO MOVE THE AIRCRAFT OFF THE RUNWAY. AFTER PHOTOGRAPHS AND MAPS WERE COMPLETED INSPECTOR MOTTER AND I WENT TO FIND THE PILOTS OF THE AIRCRAFT. THEY HAD RETURNED TO THE HANGAR OF SUN-AIR AVIATION LLC. THEIR FAR PART 135 EMPLOYER. WE FIRST TALKED TO MR. JAMES SHIELLY, HE WAS IN THE LEFT SEAT PERFORMING TRAINING FOR MR. ERICK HERNANDEZ WHO WAS ACTUALLY FLYIN THE AIRCRAFT FROM THE RIGHT SEAT. THERE WAS ANOTHER PILOT ON BOARD, MR. CRAIG BENEDICT WHO WAS OBSERVING THE TRAINING FROM THE BACK SEAT. MR. SHIELLY STATED THAT THEY WERE PERFORMING TOUCH AND GO LANDING PRACTICE AND HAD MADE ONE NORMAL APPROACH AND LANDING AND WERE ON THEIR SECOND LANDING ATTEMPT, WHEN ABOUT 2 SECONDS AFTER MAKING A NORMAL TOUCHDOWN THE RIGHT LANDING GEAR COLLAPSED. MR. SHIELLY STATED THAT THE LANDING GEAR LIGHT WAS GREEN INDICATING DOWN AND LOCKED. MR. SHIELLY IS A 15000 HOUR ATP WITH 300 HOURS IN TYPE. MR. ERICK HERNANDEZ STATED THAT HE WAS FLYING THE AIRCRAFT GETTING INSTRUCTION FROM MR. SHIELLY. HE WAS ON HIS SECOND LANDING AND REMEMBERS CHECKING GUMPS TWICE. HE MADE A NORMAL LANDING AND ABOUT 2 OR 3 SECONDS LATER HE FELT THE RIGHT LANDING GEAR COLLAPSE AND THE AIRCRAFT TURN TO THE RIGHT, HE TRIED TO KEEP IT STRAIGHT BUT THE AIRCRAFT VEERED TO THE RIGHT. MR. HERNANDEZ IS A 2500 HOUR ATP AND HAS 15 HOURS IN TYPE. MR. CRAIG BENEDICT STATED THAT ERICK WAS FLYINGAND THAT THEY HAD DONE SOME AIRWORK AND HAD COMPLETED THEIR FIRST TOUCH AND GO LANDING NORMALLY. ON THE SECOND LANDING THEY WERE PRACTICING A SIMULATED ENGINE OUT PROCEDURE HAVING RETARDED THE RIGHT THROTTLE. ON TOUCHDOWN THER RIGHT GEAR COLLAPSED AND THE AIRCRAFT TURNED SIDEWAYS TOWARD THE RIGHT. MR. BENEDICT STATED THAT EVEN THOUGH THE LIGHT GLARE FROM THE SUN WAS BRIGHT, HE COULD SEE THE GREEN LIGHT INDICATING THAT THE LANDING GEAR WAS DOWN AND LOCKED. ## Other reports on N8674Y (2) Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date. - [Accident 20180617024269A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20180617024269A), Jun 17, 2018: Piper PA-30 (N8674Y), Vero Beach, FL, Substantial damage. During a routine flight north to melbourne and back south to Vero Beach airport sightseeing the local beaches. At the conclusion of the flight, the aircraft… - [Incident 19921209052379I](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19921209052379I), Dec 9, 1992: Piper PA30 (N8674Y), Van Nuys, CA, Minor damage. Pilot made a hard landing. Stated he had a sudden windshear on final. Propeller and nose gear damaged. From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. 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