# Accident 20040208003509A: Piper PA28161, Chicago, IL, February 8, 2004

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: February 8, 2004, 18:30 local time
- Place: Chicago, IL
- Airport: Lansing Municipal Airport
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Phase of flight: Level Off Touchdown
- Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91)
- Location: 41.5350° N, 87.5297° W: From the FAA
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=41.5350&lon=-87.5297&mi=10
- Aircraft: N38988, registered now (https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N38988) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-28-161 (registry code 7102803, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-161) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: Lycoming 0-320 series (registry code 41508, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA28161
- People aboard: 5
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Pilot flight hours: 240 total, 240 in this make and model, 3 in the last 90 days
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB CHI04LA063](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CHI04LA063) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20040208003509A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

(-23) AFTER TAKEOFF THE PILOT NOTICED THE RUNWAY WAS VERY ICY AND HAD SNOW DRIFTS. HE ATTEMPTED TO LAND THE AIRCRAFT AT THE RUNWAY THRESHOLD AND ROLL OUT WITHOUT USING BRAKES. PILOT LANDED HARD SEPARATING THE RIGHT MAIN LANDING GEAR FROM THE AIRCRAFT WHICH CAUSED THE AIRCRAFT TO EXIT THE RUNWAY INTO A SNOW BANK. THE PILOT STATED HE HAD THREE CHILDREN IN THE BACK SEAT AND ONE PASSENGER IN THE FRONT. THE AIRCRAFT IS LIMITED TO 2 REAR PASSENGERS. THE PILOT PERMITTED EXCESSIVE PASSENGER TO OCCUPY THE REAR SEATS CAUSING CHILD/PASSENGER ENDANGERMENT BY NOT HAVING ENOUGH SEAT BELTS FOR ALL REAR PASSENGERS.

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB CHI04LA063](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CHI04LA063), Feb 8, 2004: Piper PA 28-161 (N38988), Lansing, IL, substantial damage. Probable cause: The improper flare by the pilot due to his diverted attention during landing. Factors were the pilot's failure to execute a go-around, the overload of the right main landing gear, and the snowbank.

## Other reports on N38988 (1)

Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date.

- [Incident 20060523015319I](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20060523015319I), May 23, 2006: Piper PA28161 (N38988), Chicago, IL, Minor damage. (-23) After landing on runway 27 at Lansing Municipal Airport (igq), the student pilot attempted to taxi the aircraft off of the active runway onto taxiway…

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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