# Accident 20040810017699A: Piper PA28181, Scottsdale, AZ, August 10, 2004

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: August 10, 2004, 09:15 local time
- Place: Scottsdale, AZ
- Airport: Scottsdale Municipal Airport
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Phase of flight: Level Off Touchdown
- Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91)
- Location: 33.6203° N, 111.9103° W: From the FAA
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.6203&lon=-111.9103&mi=10
- Aircraft: N8414E (not matched to a registry record)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA28181
- Reported engine: LYC O360A1D
- People aboard: 1
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Pilot certificates: Student
- Pilot flight hours: 14 total, 14 in this make and model, 14 in the last 90 days
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB LAX04CA289](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX04CA289) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20040810017699A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

(-23) STUDENT PILOT WAS SOLO ON HIS THIRD LANDING AS HE FLARED TO LAND THE AIRCRAFT LANDED HARD AND BOUNCED BACK INTO THE AIR. STUDENT PILOT PUSHED FORWARD ON THE CONTROL WHEEL, CONSIDERED ADDING POWER; HOWEVER AIRCRAFT NOSE WAS POINTED AT THE GROUND. STUDENT PILOT PULLED BACK ON THE CONTROL WHEEL AND THE TAIL OF THE AIRCRAFT HIT THE RUNWAY. THE AIRCRAFT BOUNCED, STRIKING THE PROPELLER. DAMAGE TO PROPELLER, NOSE GEAR, FIREWALL AND REAR BULKHEAD. NO ADDITIONAL CAUSAL FACTORS AT THIS TIME.

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB LAX04CA289](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX04CA289), Aug 10, 2004: Piper PA-28-181 (N8414E), Scottsdale, AZ, substantial damage. Probable cause: the pilot's misjudged flare, resulting in a stall and hard landing, and his failure to maintain directional control. The pilot's improper recovery from a bounced landing is a contributing factor.

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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