# Accident 20040929024999A: Piper PA12, Perham, MN, September 29, 2004

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: September 29, 2004, 10:30 local time
- Place: Perham, MN
- Airport: Perham Municipal Airport
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Phase of flight: To Init Climb(1st Pwr Reduct)
- Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91)
- Location: 46.6042° N, 95.6044° W: From the FAA
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=46.6042&lon=-95.6044&mi=10
- Aircraft: N7977H, registered now (https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N7977H) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-12 (registry code 7101202, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-12) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: Lycoming 0-235 series (registry code 41505, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-235-series) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA12
- Reported engine: LYC O320A2D
- People aboard: 1
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Pilot flight hours: 6,300 total, 1,094 in this make and model, 400 in the last 90 days
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB CHI04LA285](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CHI04LA285) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20040929024999A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

(-23) ON TAKE OFF, RWY 12, THE AIRCRAFT WEATHER COCKED TO THE RIGHT, WIND FROM 180 AT 10K, GUSTS TO 15K. STUDENT, GEYER AT THE CONTROLS. GEYER STATED THAT HE PUSHED RIGHT RUDDER. CFI FEHRENBACH STATED THE AIRCRAFT CLIMBED TO APPROX. 100 FT, BUT WAS IN A SKID TO THE RIGHT. AIRCRAFT WAS IN A SLIGHT DESCENT. ELEVATOR WAS FULL UP AND TRIM WAS ALMOST FULL NOSE UP. AFTER SOME TIME CFI FEHRENBACH TOOK THE CONTROLS, AS STUDENT GEYER GAVE THEM UP. THE SUDDEN CHANGE IN COMMAND OF THE CONTROLS, AND POSITION OF RUDDER, AS SPECULATED, BY FAA INVESTIGATORS, TO HAVE TURNED THE AIRCRAFT LEFT, APPROX. 45 DEGREES, AS THE AIRCRAFT DEPARTED THE LEFT SIDE OF THE RUNWAY, CONTACTED GRASS, INVERTED, AND THE RESULTING ACCIDENT.

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB CHI04LA285](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CHI04LA285), Sep 29, 2004: Piper PA-12 (N7977H), Perham, MN, substantial damage. Probable cause: The dual student's improper compensation for the crosswind condition and his subsequent failure to maintain control of the airplane. An additional cause was the flight instructor's inadequate…

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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