# Accident 20080303012009A: Piper PA28161, Sacaton, AZ, March 3, 2008

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: March 3, 2008, 08:30 local time
- Place: Sacaton, AZ
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Phase of flight: Sfl Final Approach
- Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91)
- Location: 33.2692° N, 111.8111° W: From the FAA
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.2692&lon=-111.8111&mi=10
- Aircraft: N8400A, a cancelled registration (https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8400A-2013-08-21) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-28-161 (registry code 7102803, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-161) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: Lycoming 0-320 series (registry code 41508, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA28161
- People aboard: 2
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Pilot flight hours: 695 total, 500 in this make and model, 180 in the last 90 days
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB SEA08LA085](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/SEA08LA085) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20080303012009A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

(-23) ON SITE VISUAL INSPECTION BY SDL FSDO INSPECTOR CONDUCTED. PICTURES WERE TAKEN AND ORIGINAL STATEMENTS COLLECTED FROM BOTH ON BOARD FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT. CONSISTENT ACCOUNTS OF THE INCIDENT FROM BOTH AIRMEN INDICATED A SIMULATED ENGINE FAILURE WAS INITIATED AT APPROXIMATELY 1500 FEET AGL. INTENDED LANDING TARGET WAS A PLOWED FIELD UNSUITABLE FOR AN ACTUAL LANDING. STATEMENTS INDICATE THAT THE INTENDED LANDING TARGET AT EAST END OF THE FIELD WAS NOT GOING TO BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT UTILIZING FULL FLAPS AND FORWARD SLIP. AT APPROXIMATELY 100 FEET AGL, THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR ADVISED THE STUDENT TO "GO AROUND." THE STUDENT MOVED THE THROTTLE FORWARD, HOWEVER NOT TO THE FULL FORWARD POSITION. THE INSTRUCTOR THEN REACTED BY PLACING THE THROTTLE FULL FORWARD JUST PRIOR TO THE AIRCRAFT CONTACTING THE GROUND. DURING THE POST ACCIDENT INSPECTION, THE ENGINE WAS RUN WITHOUT INCIDENT. BOTH MAGNETOS WERE TESTED AND CONSIDERED OPERATIONAL.

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB SEA08LA085](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/SEA08LA085), Mar 3, 2008: Piper PA-28-161 (N8400A), Chandler, AZ, substantial damage. Probable cause: The student pilot's delay in initiating the go-around, and the flight instructor's inadequate supervision of the flight and delayed remedial action. Contributing to the accident were the momentary…

## Other reports on N8400A (1)

Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date.

- [Incident 20040316003989I](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20040316003989I), Mar 16, 2004: Piper PA28161 (N8400A), Chandler, AZ, Minor damage. (-23) Student pilot in a Piper PA-28 N8400A was on first supervised solo after completing first takeoff and landing; student taxied to runup area and pulled in…

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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