# Accident 20120917021579A: Piper PA-22-160, Talkeetna, AK, September 17, 2012

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: September 17, 2012, 12:30 local time
- Place: Talkeetna, AK
- Airport: Montana Creek Airport
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Phase of flight: Maneuver
- Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91)
- Location: 62.0931° N, 150.1186° W: From the FAA
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=62.0931&lon=-150.1186&mi=10
- Aircraft: N8433D, a cancelled registration (https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8433D-2022-12-31) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-22-160 (registry code 7102214, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-22-160) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: Lycoming 0-320 series (registry code 41508, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-22-160
- Reported engine: LYCOMING 0-320 SERIES
- People aboard: 2
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Other injuries: 2
- Pilot certificates: Commercial pilot, flight instructor
- Pilot flight hours: 1,000 total, 25 in this make and model, 250 in the last 90 days
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB ANC12LA107](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ANC12LA107) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20120917021579A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

PA-22 ACCIDENT NEAR MONTANA CREEK:A TELECOM WITH A STATE TROOPER REVEALS THAT THE CFI WAS PIC FOR THIS FLIGHT FROM TALKEETNA TO WILLOW AIRPORT FOR A STUDENT'S INITIAL FLIGHT LESSON IN TAILWHEEL AIRCRAFT AND WAS TO BE CONDUCTED AT THE WILLOW AIRPORT. THE PASSENGER IS A PRIVATE PILOT AND HE ASKED THE CFI TO DEMONSTRATE A STALL.  THE CFI DEMONSTRATED A STALL AND WAS UNABLE TO RECOVER.  THE AIRCRAFT HIT THE GROUND AND BOTH PIC AND PASSENGER SUSTAINED INJURIES.THE CFI RECALLS A DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES: STALLS WERE NOT PERFORMED, BUT RATHER THE CFI WAS FLYING AT LOW ALTITUDE (200') WHEN HE REDUCED POWER TO 50% AND DEMONSTRATED A SIMULATED ENGINE FAILURE AT LOW ALTITUDE. THE NOSE DROPPED AND THE AIRCRAFT HIT THE GROUND.THE PILOT AND THE CFI SUSTAINED INJURIES  AND THE CFI IS STILL IN THE HOSPITAL.

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB ANC12LA107](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ANC12LA107), Sep 17, 2012: Piper PA-22-160 (N8433D), Talkeetna, AK, substantial damage. Probable cause: The flight instructor's failure to maintain adequate airspeed while maneuvering at a low altitude, which resulted in an inadvertent stall.

## Other reports on N8433D (2)

Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date.

- [Accident 20080810857729A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20080810857729A), Aug 10, 2008: Piper PA22160 (N8433D), Talkeetna, AK, Substantial damage. The pilot stated that he and his passenger departed carl's landing airstrip (AK19) on a personnel flight. On returning to the airstrip, a normal approach was…
- [Accident 19870808043969A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19870808043969A), Aug 8, 1987: Piper PA22160 (N8433D), Greeley, CO, Substantial damage. Lost directional control on a wheel landing roll during dual instruction. Aircraft departed runway. Ground looped.

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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