# Accident 20121005026362A: Piper PA-28-161, Bapchule, AZ, October 5, 2012

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: October 5, 2012, 14:07 local time
- Place: Bapchule, AZ
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Collision: Midair collision
- Phase of flight: Maneuver
- Operating rules: Pilot school (Part 141)
- Operator: HQ8S
- Location: 33.1031° N, 112.0542° W: From the FAA
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.1031&lon=-112.0542&mi=10
- Aircraft: N8115Q, a cancelled registration (https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8115Q-2015-09-10) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-28-161 (registry code 7102803, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-161) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: Lycoming 0-320 series (registry code 41508, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-28-161
- Reported engine: LYCOMING 0-320 SERIES
- People aboard: 2
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Other injuries: 0
- Pilot certificates: Airline transport, flight instructor
- Pilot flight hours: 15,986 total, 4,700 in this make and model, 74 in the last 90 days
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB WPR13LA004](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/WPR13LA004) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20121005026362A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2012 AT APPROXIMATELY 2:07 P.M., N8115Q, A PIPER PA-28-161, AND N4184M, A PIPER PA-28R-201 COLLIDED IN MID-AIR JUST SOUTH OF THE TOWN OF BAPCHULE, AZ.  RADAR TAPES RECORDED BY PHOENIX TRACON INDICATE BOTH AIRCRAFT WERE AT AN ALTITUDE OF 4,000' MSL. BOTH AIRCRAFT REMAINED AIRBORNE, WERE CONTROLLABLE, AND WERE ABLE TO FLY UNDER THEIR OWN POWER.  N8115Q PROCEEDED NORTHEAST AND LANDED AT THE MEMORIAL AIRSTRIP, A PRIVATELY OWNED RUNWAY.  N4184M PROCEEDED SOUTHWEST AND LANDED AT THE VOLKSWAGEN AUTOMOBILE PROVING GROUND TEST TRACK.THERE WERE NO INJURIES OR FATALITIES IN EITHER AIRCRAFT.  N8115Q SUSTAINED SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE TO ITS RIGHT WING. N4184M SUSTAINED SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE TO ITS LEFT WING AND TO THE STABILATOR.  THE CREWS OF BOTH AIRCRAFT WERE CONDUCTING INSTRUMENT TRAINING FLIGHTS AND THE LEFT SEATS OF BOTH AIRCRAFT WERE OCCUPIED BY STUDENTS WEARING VIEW LIMITING DEVICES.THE PILOT IN COMMAND (PIC) OF N8115Q HOLDS AN AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT CERTIFICATE. THE PILOT IN COMMAND (PIC) OF N4184M HOLDS A COMMERCIAL PILOT CERTIFICATE. BOTH PICS POSSESS CURRENT FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR CERTIFICATES, CURRENT FLIGHT REVIEW ENDORSEMENTS AND CURRENT  MEDICAL CERTIFICATES.A REVIEW OF THE MAINTENANCE RECORDS INDICATED NO DISCREPANCIES FOR EITHER AIRCRAFT.THE WEATHER AT THE TIME OF THE MID-AIR COLLISION WAS VMC (VISUAL METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS).  THE AIRSPACE IN WHICH IT OCCURRED WAS CLASS E.  NEITHER AIRCRAFT WAS RECEIVING FLIGHT FOLLOWING NOR WERE THEY UNDER POSITIVE CONTROL.

## Other aircraft in the event

- N4184M, Piper PA-28R-201: [Accident 20121005026372A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20121005026372A)

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB WPR13LA004](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/WPR13LA004), Oct 5, 2012: Piper PA-28-161 (N8115Q), Chandler, AZ, substantial damage. Probable cause: The failure of both flight instructors to see and avoid the other airplane while providing instrument flight training, which resulted in a midair collision.

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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