# Incident 20170223001099I: Piper PA-28-181, Chandler, AZ, February 23, 2017 - Type: FAA incident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported - Date: February 23, 2017, 09:15 local time - Place: Chandler, AZ - Airport: Chandler Municiplalairport - Damage: Minor damage - Phase of flight: Landing: Touchdown - Operating rules: Pilot school (Part 141) - Operator: FQAS - Location: 33.3062° N, 111.8413° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs: center of Chandler, AZ, within about 6 miles (OpenAirDocs) - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.3062&lon=-111.8413&mi=10 - Aircraft: N924PA, a cancelled registration (https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N924PA-2021-03-06) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry model: Piper PA-28-181 (registry code 7102807, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-181) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: Lycoming O&VO-360 series (registry code 41514, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-o-vo-360-series) (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: PIPER PA-28-181 - Reported engine: LYCOMING O&VO-360 SER - People aboard: 3 - Fatal injuries: 0 - Other injuries: 0 - Pilot certificates: Commercial pilot, flight instructor, private pilot - Pilot flight hours: 435 total, 12 in this make and model, 12 in the last 90 days - FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/) - Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20170223001099I ## Narrative As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^. (INSTRUCTOR PILOT IN COMMAND STATEMENT) ON THE MORNING OF FEBRUARY 23 AT 0630 I MEET TWO STUDENTS AT TRANS PAC KCHD FOR LESSON PPL 1.19 DDL. I BRIEFED BOTH STUDENTS PER THE 141 COURSE LESSON PLAN AND SINCE I HAD NOT FLOWN WITH EITHER STUDENT I ASKED THEM IF THEY HAD LANDED AN AIRCRAFT BY THEMSELVES AND HAD THEY BEEN DEMONSTRATED A FORWARD SLIP TO LAND BY THEIR REGULAR INSTRUCTOR. BOTH STUDENTS REPLIED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AND DEMONSTRATED SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROCEDURES AND V SPEED DURING THE PRE MISSION BRIEF. PREFLIGHT RUN UP AND TAXI WERE ALL WITHIN STANDARDS, HOWEVER I NOTICED THAT THE STUDENT PILOT TAXIED WELL LEFT OF CENTER-LINE, HE CORRECTED AFTER PROMPTING. ON THE TAKEOFF FROM 22R WE PREFORMED A SHORT FIELD TAKEOFF THE STUDENT LACKED RIGHT RUDDER INPUT, THE STUDENT CORRECTED WHEN PROMPTED, THIS TENDENCY CONTINUED FOR THE DURATION OF THE FLIGHT. WE STAYED IN THE PATTERN AND MADE LEFT TRAFFIC FOR 22L. THE FIRST APPROACH PREFORMED WAS A NORMAL LANDING THE STUDENT TURNED EARLY TO FINAL AND WAS WELL LEFT OF COURSE, WE PREFORMED A GO-AROUND. SECOND APPROACH PREFORMED WAS A SHORT FIELD LANDING AT THE 1000 FEET MARK, STUDENT PREFORMED THE LANDING WITHIN STANDARDS WITH MINIMUM INSTRUCTOR INPUT UNTIL THE THRESHOLD TOUCHING DOWN JUST PAST HIS INTENDED LANDING POINT. THIRD APPROACH WAS A FORWARD SLIP TO LAND, STUDENT PREFORMED THE DOWNWIND AND BASE LEG TO STANDARDS BUT TURNED EARLY TO FINAL AND WAS WELL LEFT OF CENTER-LINE I ABORTED THE APPROACH AND WE PREFORMED A GO-AROUND. THE FORTH AND FIFTH APPROACHES WERE NORMAL AND SHORT BOTH WITHIN LESSONS STANDARDS. SIXTH APPROACH WAS FORWARD SLIP TO LAND, DOWNWIND WAS WITHIN 100 FEET OF TPA, ABEAM TOUCHDOWN 1000 FEET MARK POINT STUDENT REDUCED POWER TO 1600 RPM AND EXTENDED FLAPS 10 AND DESCENDED TO 1900 MSL (700 AGL). STUDENT MAINTAINED ALTITUDE FROM BASE TO FINAL, AIRCRAFT WAS ALIGNED WITH THE CENTER LINE ON FINAL HOWEVER STUDENT BEGAN THE FORWARD SLIP EARLY, AIRSPEED WAS 70 KIAS IN THE DECENT, I INSTRUCTED THE STUDENT TO A INCREASE ENGINE POWER FROM IDLE BY 300 RPM TO MAKE THE 1000 FT MARKERS. UPON THE THRESHOLD PASSING UNDER THE ENGINE COWL THE STUDENT ABRUPTLY REDUCED POWER TO IDLE AND BEGAN PITCH FOR A NOSE UP ATTITUDE WITHOUT REMOVING THE FORWARD SLIP. I PROMPTLY TOOK CONTROL OF THE AIRCRAFT AND PITCHED NOSE DOWN WHILE APPLYING RIGHT RUDDER TO REMOVE THE SLIP. THE AIRCRAFT LANDED HARD WITH THE STALL HORN GOING OFF I HEARD A LOUD "THUNK" AND IMMEDIATELY SUSPECT A TAIL STRIKE. I REQUESTED A TAXI BACK TO THE APRON WHERE WE PARKED AND INSPECTED THE TAIL AND SAW VISIBLE DAMAGE. WE SECURED THE AIRCRAFT AND RETURNED TO TRANS PAC CAMPUS. MY TEAM LEAD WAS OFF SO I TRIED TO CALL THE CHANDLER SUPERVISOR FROM THE RAMP BUT SHE WAS ALSO NOT AVAILABLE. UPON RETURN TO CAMPUS I CONTACTED DISPATCH AND INFORMED THEM OF THE INCIDENT AND SQUAWKED THE AIRCRAFT AND ASKED FOR A MAINTENANCE CHECK. I THEN REPORTED THE INCIDENCE TO ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^ THE OTHER TEAM LEADER PRESENT AND DEBRIEFED THE STUDENTS ON WHAT HAPPENED AND THEN FILLED A SAFETY REPORT WITH TRANS PAC. ## Other reports on N924PA (3) Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date. - [Accident 20191223019859A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20191223019859A), Dec 23, 2019: Piper PA-28-181 (N924PA), Chandler, AZ, Substantial damage. Student pilot was on second landing rollout of solo flight. He lost control of aircraft, aircraft exited runway 4-L into the dirt area to the left of the… - [Incident 20170607008159I](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20170607008159I), Jun 7, 2017: Piper PA-28-181 (N924PA), Phoenix, AZ, Minor damage. While on a stage check flight, the student was conducting a soft field takeoff. The student failed to maintain directional control. The student stated that… - [Incident 20160808014722I](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20160808014722I), Aug 8, 2016: Piper PA-28-181 (N924PA), Deer Valley, AZ, Minor damage. On 8/8/2016 N963WW reported to the tower that N924PA hit him in the run-up area. Both aircraft returned to their own ramps to check for damage. N963WW 2POB… From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record. --- OpenAirDocs.org is an independent research project of [Contrail Labs](https://contraillabs.com/). It is not affiliated with the FAA or the NTSB. Source documents are U.S. government works in the public domain.