# Accident 20170227001139A: Piper PA-28-181, Phoenix, AZ, February 27, 2017

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: February 27, 2017, 15:15 local time
- Place: Phoenix, AZ
- Airport: Phoenix Deer Valley
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Phase of flight: Takeoff: Rotation
- Operating rules: Pilot school (Part 141)
- Operator: FQAS
- Location: 33.6869° N, 112.0917° W: From the FAA
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.6869&lon=-112.0917&mi=10
- Aircraft: N309PA, registered now (https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N309PA) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-28-181 (registry code 7102807, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-181) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: Lycoming O-360 series (registry code 41575, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-o-360-series) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-28-181
- Reported engine: LYCOMING O-360 SERIES
- People aboard: 3
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Other injuries: 0
- Pilot certificates: Commercial pilot, flight instructor, private pilot
- Pilot flight hours: 330 total, 23 in this make and model, 23 in the last 90 days
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB GAA17CA166](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/GAA17CA166) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20170227001139A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

ON FEBRUARY 27, 2017, ABOUT 15:15 LOCAL MOUNTAIN STANDARD TIME, A PIPER PA-28-181 (ARCHER III) SERIAL NUMBER 2843508, N309PA, WAS DEPARTING DEER VALLEY AIRPORT PHOENIX, ARIZONA (KDVT) RUNWAY ON AN INSTRUCTIONAL FLIGHT WITH THREE PERSONS ONBOARD THE AIRCRAFT. THE INSTRUCTOR WAS DEMONSTRATING A SOFT FIELD TAKE OFF ON RUNWAY 7R WITH A PLANNED LOCAL AREA INSTRUCTIONAL FLIGHT. THE PIC STATED THE WINDS WERE 310@10. THEY ROTATED AT 40KIAS AND REMAINED AT THAT AIRSPEED IN GROUND EFFECT. THE PIC REPORTS THE QUARTERING TAIL WIND BEGAN TO BLOW THE AIRCRAFT TO THE RIGHT AND THE INSTRUCTOR WAS NOT ABLE TO CONTROL THE AIRCRAFT. AN AERODYNAMIC STALL RESULTED FROM INSUFFICIENT AIRSPEED AND THE AIRCRAFT LANDED OFF TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF RUNWAY 7R IN THE ROCKS BETWEEN RUNWAY 7R AND TAXIWAY C IN A NOSE HIGH AND LEFT WING LOW ATTITUDE. THE PIC CLOSED THE THROTTLE AND TAXIED THE AIRCRAFT BACK ONTO THE RUNWAY, ASKED LOCAL CONTROL FOR A CLEARANCE BACK TO THE RAMP. THE AIRCRAFT SUSTAINED SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE BY ROCK IMPACT DAMAGE TO THE REAR SPAR. THE AIRPLANE WAS REGISTERED TO AND OPERATED BY BIRD ACQUISITION LLC, A 14 CFR PART 141 FLIGHT SCHOOL. THE PILOT WAS OPERATING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF TITLE 14 CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS (CFR) PART 91. VISUAL METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS PREVAILED AND NO FLIGHT PLAN WAS FILED. NEITHER THE INSTRUCTIONAL PILOT NOR THE TWO PASSENGER/STUDENTS ONBOARD SUSTAINED ANY INJURIES.

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB GAA17CA166](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/GAA17CA166), Feb 27, 2017: Piper PA28 (N309PA), Phoenix, AZ, substantial damage. Probable cause: The flight instructor’s incorrect control inputs while taking off with a known quartering tailwind, which resulted in a loss of directional control and runway excursion.

## Other reports on N309PA (2)

Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date.

- [Incident 20120830021379I](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20120830021379I), Aug 30, 2012: Piper PA-28-181 (N309PA), Wickenburg, AZ, Minor damage. While conducting practice landings at Wickenburg (E25) the student began his round out a little high. The instructor allowed the student to continue but…
- [Accident 20071030827801A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20071030827801A), Oct 30, 2007: Piper PA28181 (N309PA), Phoenix, AZ, Substantial damage. (-23) Both N309PA & N923PA were in the runup area, holding short at the end of runway 74, preparing for takeoff at dvt. The student pilot of N309PA was…

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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