# Incident 20190812014049I: Piper PA-18 105, Westhampton, NY, August 12, 2019

- Type: FAA incident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: August 12, 2019, 14:26 local time
- Place: Westhampton, NY
- Airport: Francis Gabreski
- Damage: Minor damage
- Phase of flight: Landing: Rollout
- Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91)
- Location: 40.8469° N, 72.6598° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs: center of Westhampton, NY, within about 6 miles (OpenAirDocs)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=40.8469&lon=-72.6598&mi=10
- Aircraft: N294T, registered now (https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N294T) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-18 105 (registry code 7101809, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-18-105) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-18 105
- People aboard: 1
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Other injuries: 0
- Pilot certificates: Commercial pilot
- Pilot flight hours: 722 total, 53 in this make and model, 192 in the last 90 days
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20190812014049I

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

AFTER RELEASING THE BANNER IN THE INFIELD PARALLEL TO RUNWAY 33, AIRCRAFT MADE A RIGHT CROSSWIND TURN TO JOIN A RIGHT DOWNWIND FOR LANDING ON RUNWAY 33 NUMBER TWO WITH A CESSNA 172 AHEAD AND A GULFSTREAM BEHIND. VAN WAGNER COMPANY POLICY DICTATES THAT ALL LANDINGS BE MADE IN A 3 - POINT ATTITUDE. AIRCRAFT TOUCHED DOWN IN A 3-POINT AT 55MPH WHICH IS 12MPH ABOVE STALL SPEED ATTEMPTING TO KEEP MY APPROACH FASTER BECAUSE OF THE GULFSTREAM BEHIND.  PIC WANTED TO BOTH KEEP SPEED UP ON FINAL AND ALSO LAND CLOSER TO INTERSECTION OF 24-33 AT CHARLIE INTERSECTION TO MINIMIZE TAXI TIME FOR FASTER CLEARING TIME ON THE RUNWAY. WHILE AIRCRAFT WAS SLOWING DOWN AND THE CONTROLS SURFACE WERE LOSING EFFECTIVENESS, THE CROSSWIND GUSTING INCREASED TOWARDS 240 HEADING - BECAUSE PIC INITIALLY HAD EXCESSIVE SPEED AND THE CROSSWIND STARTED TO PUSH THE AIRCRAFT IT THEN BEGAN TO BEAR LEFT I.E. WEATHERVANE. PIC ATTEMPTED TO SAVE THE TURN WITH RIGHT RUDDER AND BRAKE CONTROL COMBINATION BUT DID NOT GET RESULTS AS FAST AS EXPECTED, AT WHICH POINT PIC GRABBED THE LEFT BRAKE AS WELL - WHICH WAS AN OVER CORRECTION. AFTER APPLYING FULL BRAKES ON BOTH SIDES THE TAIL CAME OFF THE GROUND AND HAD NO MORE GROUND HANDLING. PIC HELD THE STICK BACK IN THE FULL AFT POSITION, AT THIS POINT IT WAS UNRECOVERABLE AS THE NOSE HAD ALREADY GONE OVER THE CENTER OF GRAVITY. THE PROPELLER CONTACTED THE RUNWAY SURFACE AND ENGINE STOPPAGE OCCURRED.

AIRMAN WAS COUNSELED BY FAA INSPECTORS ON AERONAUTICAL DECISION MAKING CONCERNING CROSSWINDS AND 3 POINT VERSUS WHEEL LANDINGS. PIC WENT THROUGH AND LOGGED RETRAINING ON CROSSWIND LANDINGS WITH COMPANY INSTRUCTOR TO AVOID REOCCURRENCE.

## Other reports on N294T (3)

Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date.

- [Accident 20050820018779A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20050820018779A), Aug 20, 2005: Piper PA18105 (N294T), Palos Verdes, CA, Substantial damage. (-23) While towing a banner along the coast the aircraft experienced a partial power failure and the pilot ditched near the shore. No injury.
- [Incident 19891105057809I](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19891105057809I), Nov 5, 1989: Piper PA18105 (N294T), Miramar, FL. Banner broke while doing aerial advertising. Fell to ground. No damage. Bridle had failed.
- [Accident 19820403007719A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19820403007719A), Apr 3, 1982: Piper PA18105 (N294T), Hollywood, FL, Destroyed. Blew a jug during banner tow paralelling beach. Ditch off shore. Cylinder not recovered.

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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