# Accident 20231003011449A: Piper PA-44-180, Newberg, OR, October 3, 2023

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: October 3, 2023, 18:47 local time
- Place: Newberg, OR
- Damage: Destroyed
- Phase of flight: Maneuver
- Operating rules: Pilot school (Part 141)
- Operator: 5HAS
- Location: 45.3140° N, 122.9488° W: From the FAA
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=45.3140&lon=-122.9488&mi=10
- Aircraft: N8360K, a cancelled registration (https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8360K-2023-12-26) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-44-180 (registry code 7104402, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-44-180) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: Lycoming O&VO-360 series (registry code 41514, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-o-vo-360-series) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-44-180
- Reported engine: LYCOMING O&VO-360 SER
- People aboard: 3
- Fatal injuries: 2
- Other injuries: 1
- Pilot certificates: Commercial pilot, flight instructor, private pilot, unknown or foreign certificate
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB WPR24FA004](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/WPR24FA004) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20231003011449A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

FOLLOWING TAKEOFF FROM HIO THE MULTI-ENG CFI AND TRAINING COMMERCIAL PILOT APPEARED TO HAVE PERFORMED STALL TRAINING AND STEEP TURNS WITH A PRIVATE PILOT AS PASSENGER/OBSERVER ABOARD.  THE COMMERCIAL AND PRIVATE PILOTS WERE BEGINNING MULTI-COMMERCIAL TRAINING.  AT ABOUT 20 MINUTES INTO THE FLIGHT, DURING AN APPARENT VMC STALL DEMONSTRATION, THE AIRPLANE APPEARED TO SLOW TO ABOUT 50 KNOTS AND THEN WENT INTO A SPIN AT ABOUT 5100’.  THE AIRPLANE WAS IN ABOUT AN 80 DEGREE NOSE DOWN ATTITUDE, COUNTER-CLOCKWISE SPIN WHEN IT IMPACTED THE ROOF OF A HOUSE RESULTING IN THE CFI AND COMMERCIAL PILOT BEING DECEASED AND THE PASSENGER RECEIVING SERIOUS INJURIES.

A PRELIMINARY STATEMENT FROM THE PASSENGER/OBSERVER STATED THAT PRIOR TO THE ACCIDENT: SLOW FLIGHT, STALLS, AND STEEP TURNS WERE PERFORMED WITH NO ISSUES.   A VMC DEMO WAS THE LAST MANEUVER.  THE PASSENGER/OBSERVER RECALLS THERE BEING MORE THAN 5 DEGREES OF BANK.  THIS WAS HER FIRST TIME SEEING A VMC DEMO SO SHE ISN’T SURE IF THE MANEUVER WAS DONE CORRECTLY/INCORRECTLY AND IF THE RECOVERY PROCEDURES WERE DONE CORRECTLY/INCORRECTLY.  THE PLANE STARTED GOING LEFT AND VERY QUICKLY BECAME INVERTED.  SHE DOESN’T RECALL WHEN THE TRANSFER OF CONTROLS HAPPENED, BUT THE STUDENT WAS THE ONE THAT ASKED THE CFI TO TAKE CONTROLS.  SHE COULDN’T SEE WHAT THE CFI WAS DOING SINCE SHE WAS SITTING BEHIND HIM.  THE CFI AND STUDENT WERE CALMLY TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM ON THE WAY DOWN TALKING TO EACH OTHER THE WHOLE TIME.  SHE CLOSED HER EYES AT THE LAST FEW SECONDS AND DOESN’T REMEMBER IT.

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB WPR24FA004](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/WPR24FA004), Oct 4, 2023: Piper PA-44-180 (N8360K), Newberg, OR, substantial damage, 2 fatal. Probable cause: The pilot receiving instruction’s failure to maintain control of the airplane and the flight instructor’s inadequate supervision of the flight, which resulted in a stall/spin from which they were…

## Other reports on N8360K (1)

Matched to the same aircraft by N-number and date.

- [Incident 20120418008359I](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20120418008359I), Apr 18, 2012: Piper PA-44-180 (N8360K), Chesterfield, MO, Minor damage. On 04/18/2012, at approximately 1700 hours, pilot in control [privacy data omitted] and passenger [privacy data omitted] were cleared to take off on runway 26R…

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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