# Accident 20240920014009A: Piper PA-44-180, Shakopee, MN, September 20, 2024

- Type: FAA accident report (Accident/Incident Data System), as reported
- Date: September 20, 2024, 12:00 local time
- Place: Shakopee, MN
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Phase of flight: Descent
- Operating rules: General operating rules (Part 91)
- Operator: TBDA
- Location: 44.7842° N, 93.4992° W: From the FAA
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=44.7842&lon=-93.4992&mi=10
- Aircraft: N2083D, registered now (https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N2083D) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry model: Piper PA-44-180 (registry code 7104402, https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-44-180) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: Lycoming O&VO-360 series (registry code 41514, https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-o-vo-360-series) (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-44-180
- Reported engine: LYCOMING O&VO-360 SER
- People aboard: 2
- Fatal injuries: 0
- Other injuries: 2
- Pilot certificates: Commercial pilot, flight instructor
- Pilot flight hours: 8,635 total, 1,017 in this make and model, 58 in the last 90 days
- NTSB investigation: [NTSB CEN24LA360](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CEN24LA360) (OpenAirDocs)
- FAA source: FAA Aviation Safety Information Portal (https://asip.faa.gov/)
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/incident/20240920014009A

## Narrative

As the FAA filed it, in capitals; the FAA replaces private details with ^PRIVACY DATA OMITTED^.

THE ASSISTANT CHIEF PILOT OF A FAA PART 141 FLIGHT SCHOOL WAS ACTING AS PILOT IN COMMAND (PIC) DURING A REQUIRED PART 141 CHECKOUT FLIGHT WITH A NEWLY HIRED FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR. THE NEWLY HIRED FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR WAS AT THE CONTROLS FROM THE RIGHT SEAT RETURNING TO DEPARTURE AIRPORT TO DEMONSTRATE A SHORT FIELD LANDING. AFTER DESCENDING TO PATTERN ALTITUDE POWER WAS LOST ON BOTH ENGINES. THE PIC TOOK CONTROL OF THE AIRCRAFT WHILE THE NEWLY HIRED INSTRUCTOR PUSHED THE THROTTLES, MIXTURES, AND PROPELLER TO THE FULL FORWARD POSITION WITH NO RESPONSE FROM THE ENGINES. THE PIC PUT THE LANDING GEAR DOWN IN ANTICIPATION OF LANDING ON A ROAD.  AFTER REALIZING THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE ROAD, THE PIC CHOSE TO PERFORM AN EMERGENCY LANDING IN A GRASSY PARK AREA STRIKING TREETOPS BEFORE COMING TO REST. TEMPERATURE AT THE DESTINATION AIRPORT (3.5 MILES FROM ACCIDENT SITE) AT THE TIME OF THE ACCIDENT WAS REPORTED AT 24 C WITH A DEWPOINT OF 12 C. USING A CARBURETOR ICING PROBABILITY CHART THE RISK OF CARB ICE AT THE TIME OF THE ACCIDENT WAS MODERATE ICING AT CRUISE POWER AND SERIOUS ICING AT DESCENT POWER. CARBURETOR HEAT CONTROLS WERE FOUND IN THE OFF POSITION. FLIGHT CONTROL CONTINUITY WAS ESTABLISHED, THROUGH FIRST RESPONDER CUTS, FROM THE COCKPIT CONTROLS TO THE CONTROL SURFACES. POST ACCIDENT INSPECTION OF THE AIRCRAFT REVEALED NO EVIDENCE OF ANY PREIMPACT MECHANICAL MALFUNCTIONS OR FAILURES THAT WOULD HAVE PRECLUDED NORMAL OPERATION.

## The NTSB's investigation of this event (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB CEN24LA360](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CEN24LA360), Sep 20, 2024: Piper PA-44-180 (N2083D), Shakopee, MN, substantial damage. Probable cause: The pilots’ failure to apply carburetor heat during the descent, which resulted in a loss of power on both engines due to carburetor ice.

From the FAA Accident/Incident Data System. Reports are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. For accidents, the NTSB's own investigation is the fuller record.

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