# NTSB ANC08CA109: Piper PA-20/22, N8433D, Talkeetna, AK, August 9, 2008 - Type: NTSB accident investigation - Classification: Accident · No injuries · Data collection · Final report - Date: August 9, 2008, 07:00 local (15:00 UTC) - Place: Talkeetna, AK - Coordinates: 62.104721, -150.10556 - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=62.1047&lon=-150.1056&mi=10 - Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping) - Defining event: [Landing-landing roll: Miscellaneous/other](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/900) - Highest injury: No injuries - Injuries: 2 uninjured - Status: Completed, report September 26, 2008 - Report: Approved by Office Director - NTSB office: Alaska Regional Office - Parties: Anchorage FSDO-03 - NTSB case key (mKey): 68902 - NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=ANC08CA109 - NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/68902/pdf - Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ANC08CA109 ## Probable cause The pilot's failure to maintain clearance from brush during the landing roll. ## Findings NTSB's coded findings; those marked are part of the probable cause. - [Performance/control parameters: altitude](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062012): Aircraft › Aircraft oper/perf/capability · Not attained/maintained (probable cause); cases with it: [Piper PA-22-160, 2 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062012/cases.md?model=7102214), [All aircraft, 1,310 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062012/cases.md) - [Runway/land/takeoff/taxi surface](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/03023000): Environmental issues › Physical environment · Not specified; cases with it: [Piper PA-22-160, 1 case](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/03023000/cases.md?model=7102214), [All aircraft, 253 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/03023000/cases.md) ## Sequence of events The events NTSB coded, in order, by phase of flight. The defining event best describes what happened. - [Landing-landing roll: Miscellaneous/other](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/900) (defining event); cases with it: [Piper PA-22-160, 2 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/900/sequence.md?model=7102214), [All aircraft, 1,556 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/900/sequence.md) ## Analysis The airline transport pilot was landing at an off airport site under Title 14, CFR Part 91, when the accident occurred. The pilot said during the landing roll the airplane encountered brush, resulting in substantial damage to the left horizontal stabilizer and wingtip. According to the pilot, there were no known mechanical problems with the airplane prior to the accident. ## Factual narrative The airline transport pilot was landing at an off airport site under Title 14, CFR Part 91, when the accident occurred. The pilot said during the landing roll the airplane encountered brush, resulting in substantial damage to the left horizontal stabilizer and wingtip. According to the pilot, there were no known mechanical problems with the airplane prior to the accident. ## Aircraft - Registration: [N8433D](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8433D-2022-12-31), registration cancelled 2022-12-31, S/N 22-5688, built 1958 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: Piper PA-20/22 - Registry model: [Piper PA-22-160](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-22-160) (registry code 7102214) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (registry code 41508, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 22-5688 - Airframe hours: 3500 - Engines: Lycoming O-320 150 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Personal, Part 91 - Operator: Donald Lee - Registered owner: Alaska Floats and Skis INC - Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal - Last inspection: 100 hour, July 1, 2008 - Departed: TKA, Talkeetna, AK ## Flight crew As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names. - Pilot; age 52; injuries: none; flight instructor, airline transport; airplane ratings: single-engine sea, multi-engine sea, single-engine land, multi-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2; last flight review January 1, 2008; seat: left; flight hours: 15,000 total, 400 in this make and model, 14,800 as pilot in command, 200 in the last 90 days, 60 in the last 30 days, 4 in the last 24 hours ## Weather - Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day - Visibility: 30 statute miles - Temperature: 55 °F ## Other investigations on N8433D (2) From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. - [NTSB ANC12LA107](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ANC12LA107), Sep 17, 2012: Piper PA-22-160 (N8433D), Talkeetna, AK, substantial damage. Probable cause: The flight instructor's failure to maintain adequate airspeed while maneuvering at a low altitude, which resulted in an inadvertent stall. - [NTSB DEN87LA214](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/DEN87LA214), Aug 8, 1987: Piper PA-22 (N8433D), Greeley, CO, substantial damage From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. --- OpenAirDocs.org is an independent research project of [Contrail Labs](https://contraillabs.com/). It is not affiliated with the FAA or the NTSB. Source documents are U.S. government works in the public domain.