# NTSB ANC84LA167: Piper PA-18, N5127Y, Palmer, AK, September 8, 1984

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: September 7, 1984, 20:10 local (Sep 8, 1984, 04:10 UTC)
- Place: Palmer, AK
- Coordinates: 61.619937, -148.979278 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=61.6199&lon=-148.9793&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Initial climb](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/350) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB office: Alaska Regional Office
- NTSB case key (mKey): 4364
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=ANC84LA167
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/4364/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ANC84LA167

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - in flight, takeoff - initial climb
  - planning/decision - improper, pilot in command (cause)
  - weather condition - unfavorable wind (contributing factor)
  - terrain condition - high obstruction(s) (contributing factor)
  - maneuver - performed, pilot in command
  - airspeed - inadequate, pilot in command
  - stall/mush - inadvertent, pilot in command
- In flight collision with object, descent - uncontrolled
  - object - tree(s)

## Analysis

ACCORDING TO THE PLT, HE WAS TAKING OFF FROM A HAY FIELD TO THE EAST TOWARD TREES THAT WERE UP TO 80 FT TALL. HE ESTIMATED A RIGHT QUARTERING HEAD WIND AT 15 KTS GUSTING TO 25 KTS. HE STATED THAT HE ENCOUNTERED A DOWNDRAFT JUST BEFORE REACHING THE AREA OF THE TREES. REPORTEDLY, HE MANEUVERED TO AVOID A TALL TREE, BUT WAS UNABLE TO MAINTAIN HIS AIRSPEED. SUBSEQUENTLY, THE ACFT SETTLED INTO TREES & CRASHED.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N5127Y](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N5127Y), registered now, S/N 18-7895, built 1962 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-18
- Registry model: [Piper PA-18-150](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-18-150) (registry code 7101828) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (registry code 41508, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 187895
- Airframe hours: 1
- Engines: LYCOMING O-320-A2B 150 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Registered owner: Leo M. Kammermeyer Jr.
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, May 7, 1984, 1 hours before
- Departed: PAQ, PALMER, AK

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 35; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 2, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: front; flight hours: 3,500 total, 1,502 in this make and model, 3,500 as pilot in command, 35 in the last 90 days, 20 in the last 30 days, 2 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 200° at 7 knots
- Visibility: 40 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: 8,000 ft broken
- Temperature: 61 °F, dew point 39 °F
- Altimeter: 29.00 inHg

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19840907048849A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19840907048849A), Sep 7, 1984: Piper PA18150, Palmer, AK, Substantial damage. Pilot claimed he was flying low and encountered downdraft causing aircraft to collide with trees.

## Other investigations on N5127Y (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB ANC75FAG10](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ANC75FAG10), Aug 9, 1974: Piper PA-18 (N5127Y), Cooper Ldg, AK, substantial damage

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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