# NTSB ANC85LA175: Cessna 180, N3657C, Farewell, AK, September 9, 1985

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: September 8, 1985, 17:00 local (Sep 9, 1985, 01:00 UTC)
- Place: Farewell, AK
- Phase of flight: [Initial climb](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/350) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB office: Alaska Regional Office
- NTSB case key (mKey): 4563
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=ANC85LA175
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/4563/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ANC85LA175

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - in flight, takeoff - initial climb
  - terrain condition - rough/uneven (contributing factor)
  - aircraft weight and balance - excessive, pilot in command (cause)
  - overconfidence in personal ability, pilot in command (contributing factor)
  - weather condition - tailwind (contributing factor)
  - judgment - poor, pilot in command (cause)
  - overconfidence in aircraft's ability, pilot in command (contributing factor)
  - performance data - disregarded, pilot in command (cause)
  - overconfidence in personal ability, pilot in command (contributing factor)
  - overconfidence in aircraft's ability, pilot in command (contributing factor)
- In flight collision with terrain/water, descent - uncontrolled

## Analysis

ACFT FAILED TO GAIN ALT & CRASHED ON TAKEOFF FROM GRAVEL BAR WEIGHT & BALANCE. CG, & WINDS WERE QUESTIONABLE.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N3657C](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N3657C-2012-10-09), registration cancelled 2012-10-09, S/N 31155, built 1954 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: CESSNA 180
- Registry model: [Cessna 180](https://openairdocs.org/model/cessna-180) (registry code 2072602) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Continental O-470 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/continental-o-470-series) (registry code 17026, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 31155
- Engines: CONTINENTAL O-470-A 225 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Business, Part 91
- Registered owner: Robert R. Guindon
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, July 24, 1985, 40 hours before
- Destination: Z16, WASILLA, AK

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 31; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land, single-engine sea; medical: class 3, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: left; flight hours: 300 total, 130 in this make and model

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 180° at 10 knots, gusting 15
- Visibility: 10 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: 6,000 ft overcast
- Temperature: 50 °F, dew point -0 °F

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19850908047209A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19850908047209A), Sep 8, 1985: Cessna 180, Farewell, AK, Substantial damage. Struck logroot as aircraft settled back onto ground duringdownwind takeoff attempt. Loaded with aft CG.

## Other investigations on N3657C (2)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB DEN76DTC10](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/DEN76DTC10), Aug 6, 1975: Cessna 180 (N3657C), Wheatland, WY, substantial damage
- [NTSB DEN73FTC27](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/DEN73FTC27), Jun 12, 1973: Cessna 180 (N3657C), Kemmerer, WY, substantial damage

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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