# NTSB ATL02LA167: Piper PA-30-30, N7817Y, Winder, GA, September 7, 2002 - Type: NTSB accident investigation - Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report - Date: September 7, 2002, 14:30 local (18:30 UTC) - Place: Winder, GA - Coordinates: 33.969444, -83.668052 - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.9694&lon=-83.6681&mi=10 - Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping) - Highest injury: No injuries - Injuries: 3 uninjured - Status: Completed, report December 30, 2003 - Report: Approved by Office Director - Parties: Atlanta FSDO - NTSB case key (mKey): 55667 - NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=ATL02LA167 - NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/55667/pdf - Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ATL02LA167 ## Probable cause The pilot's failure to maintain directional control during landing roll which resulted in the subsequent collision with an airport sign and the collapse of the main landing gear. the pilot's improper recovery from a bounced landing was a contributing factor. ## Sequence of events In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf). - Loss of control - on ground/water, landing - directional control - not maintained, pilot in command (cause) - recovery from bounced landing - improper, pilot in command (contributing factor) - landing gear,main gear - collapsed - On ground/water collision with object, landing - roll - object - airport sign/marker ## Analysis Airplane bounced and porpoised two or three times on attempt to land. It then departed the runway to the left where it struck a metal runway sign and slid approximately 1000 ft from where it left the runway. ## Factual narrative On September 7, 2002, at 1430 eastern daylight time, a Piper PA-30-30, N7817Y, registered to a private owner and operated by the commercial pilot, collided with a runway sign during landing on runway 05, at the Winder-Barrow airport in Winder, Georgia. The personal flight was operated under the provisions of Title 14 CFR Part 91, and visual flight rules. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed for the local flight. The pilot and two passengers were not injured and the airplane sustained substantial damage. The flight departed Lawrenceville, Georgia, at 1330 on September 7, 2002. According to the pilot, after flaring to land, the airplane bounced and made a turn to the left at which point he could no longer control it. According to witnesses at the accident site, the airplane porpoised two to three times during the approach to land. After landing, the airplane departed the runway surface at a 45-degree angle and struck a runway sign with the right wing. The left main landing gear collapsed as the airplane spun around. The airplane proceeded tail first across a taxiway and into an open field coming to rest about 1000 feet from the point where the airplane departed the runway. The airplane sustained damage to the right wing, right aileron, left wing, left landing gear and both flaps. The pilot did not report a mechanical problem with the airplane. ## Aircraft - Registration: [N7817Y](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N7817Y-2003-11-01), registration cancelled 2003-11-01, S/N 30-894, built 1965 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: Piper PA-30-30 - Registry model: [Piper PA-30](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-30) (registry code 7103002) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: [Lycoming IO-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-io-320-series) (registry code 41509, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 30-894 - Airframe hours: 7268.2 - Engines: Lycoming IO-320B 160 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Personal, Part 91 - Operator: Joel H Sargent - Registered owner: William P Stephen - Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal - Last inspection: Annual, August 24, 2002 - Departed: WDR, Winder, GA - Destination: WDR, Winder, GA - Airport: WDR, Winder-Barrow, runway 050, 3,610 × 100 ft, asphalt ## Flight crew As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names. - Pilot; age 38; injuries: none; commercial; airplane ratings: multi-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 3, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; last flight review October 19, 2001; seat: left; flight hours: 866 total, 155 in this make and model, 505 as pilot in command, 20 in the last 90 days, 10 in the last 30 days, 1 in the last 24 hours ## Weather - Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day - Wind: 45° at 8 knots - Visibility: 5 statute miles - Lowest ceiling: none - Temperature: 75 °F, dew point 68 °F - Altimeter: 30.26 inHg - Observed at: WDR ## FAA reports on this event (1) The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs). - [Accident 20020907024349A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20020907024349A), Sep 7, 2002: Piper PA30, Winder, GA, Substantial damage. (-23) Aircraft was landing on runway 05 Winder-Barrow Airport, after touching down aircraft bounced and porpoised two or three times departing the runway 45… From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. --- OpenAirDocs.org is an independent research project of [Contrail Labs](https://contraillabs.com/). It is not affiliated with the FAA or the NTSB. Source documents are U.S. government works in the public domain.