# NTSB ATL86LA268: Stinson 108-1, N8838K, Roanoke, AL, June 5, 1986

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: June 5, 1986, 16:30 local (21:30 UTC)
- Place: Roanoke, AL
- Coordinates: 33.140323, -85.359405 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.1403&lon=-85.3594&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 3 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 7200
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=ATL86LA268
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/7200/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ATL86LA268

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - on ground/water, landing - roll
  - directional control - not maintained, pilot in command (cause)
  - ground loop/swerve - uncontrolled
- On ground/water encounter with terrain/water, landing - roll
  - terrain condition - ditch (contributing factor)
  - terrain condition - rough/uneven (contributing factor)

## Analysis

REPORTEDLY, DURING THE LANDING ROLL, THE ACFT WENT OFF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE RWY AND CONTINUED ACROSS A SHALLOW DITCH AND DOWN AN EMBANKMENT. THE PLT STATED THAT THE ACFT DID NOT RESP0ND TO CONTROL AND BRAKE INPUTS TO CORRECT THE SWERVE IN CALM WINDS. THE FAA & NTSB WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF THE OCCURRENCE UNTIL AFTER THE ACFT WAS REMOVED FROM THE SITE. NO PREIMPACT PART PROBLEM WAS VERIFIED DURING THE INVESTIGATION.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N8838K](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8838K-2013-09-18), registration cancelled 2013-09-18, S/N 108-1838, built 1947 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: STINSON 108-1
- Registry model: [Stinson 108-1](https://openairdocs.org/model/stinson-108-1) (registry code 9230404) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Franklin 6A4150 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/franklin-6a4150-series) (registry code 27024, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 108-1838
- Airframe hours: 1807
- Engines: FRANKLIN 6A4-150-B3 150 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Registered owner: Olin P. Messer
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Utility; Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Unknown, June 4, 1986, 1 hours before
- Departed: 7
- Airport: 7A5, Roanoke Muni, runway 11, 3,700 × 80 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 55; commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; flight hours: 1,850 total, 1,650 as pilot in command, 30 in the last 90 days

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: calm
- Visibility: 7 statute miles
- Temperature: 90 °F, dew point 66 °F
- Altimeter: 29.00 inHg
- Observed at: ANB, 36 nm away

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19860605057779A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19860605057779A), Jun 5, 1986: Univar 1081, Roanoke, AL, Substantial damage. The aircraft veered off the runway on landing. Aircraft was moved before investigation and not reported properly.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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