# NTSB ATL88LA165: Piper PA-28-161, N8205, Lawrenceville, GA, May 5, 1988

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: May 5, 1988, 11:10 local (15:10 UTC)
- Place: Lawrenceville, GA
- Location: 33.9529° N, 83.9922° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs: center of Lawrenceville, GA, within about 6 miles (OpenAirDocs)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.9529&lon=-83.9922&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 1 uninjured
- Status: Completed, report June 9, 1989
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 7754
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=ATL88LA165
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/7754/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ATL88LA165

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - in flight, landing - flare/touchdown
  - weather condition - crosswind (contributing factor)
  - wind information - disregarded, pilot in command (cause)
  - compensation for wind conditions - not attained, pilot in command (contributing factor)
  - weather condition - gusts (contributing factor)
  - go-around - not performed, pilot in command (contributing factor)
- Hard landing, landing - flare/touchdown
  - flare - improper, pilot in command (cause)
- Gear collapsed, landing
  - landing gear,nose gear - overload

## Analysis

THE STUDENT PLT RETURNED TO THE DEPARTURE ARPT AND ATTEMPTED A LANDING WITH A CROSS WIND GUSTING TO AN ESTIMATED 20 KTS. AFTER LANDING, A GUST OF WIND WAS ENCOUNTERED. THE AIRCRAFT BECAME AIRBORNE. THE STUDENT PILOT HELD THE AIRCRAFT'S CONTROLS RIGID. THE AIRCRAFT DROPPED ONTO THE RUNWAY AND SKIDDED OFF THE RUNWAY TO THE LEFT.

## Aircraft

- Registration: N8205 (not matched to a registry record)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-28-161
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 28 8316048
- Airframe hours: 1470
- Engines: LYCOMING O-320-D3G 160 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Destroyed
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Operator: Air Center Gwinnett
- Registered owner: J Curtis Mcgill
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, March 10, 1988, 50 hours before
- Airport: 17A, G Winnett Co-Brisco Fld, runway 25, 4,000 × 75 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 39; student; medical: class 3, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: left; flight hours: 25 total, 24 in this make and model, 4 as pilot in command, 25 in the last 90 days, 1 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 350° at 12 knots
- Visibility: 7 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 63 °F, dew point 46 °F
- Altimeter: 30.00 inHg
- Observed at: FTY, 30 nm away

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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