# NTSB CHI08CA187: Piper J3C-65, N30451, Lake In The Hil, IL, July 5, 2008

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Data collection · Final report
- Date: July 5, 2008, 12:30 local (17:30 UTC)
- Place: Lake In The Hil, IL
- Coordinates: 42.211666, -88.327224
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=42.2117&lon=-88.3272&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Defining event: [Landing: Loss of control on ground](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/230)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 1 uninjured
- Status: Completed, report August 28, 2008
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 68642
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=CHI08CA187
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/68642/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CHI08CA187

## Probable cause

The directional control not maintained/obtained by the pilot during landing.

## Findings

NTSB's coded findings; those marked are part of the probable cause.

- [Performance/control parameters: directional control](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062020): Aircraft › Aircraft oper/perf/capability · Not attained/maintained (probable cause); cases with it: [Piper J3C-65, 23 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062020/cases.md?model=7100510), [All aircraft, 3,958 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062020/cases.md)

## Sequence of events

The events NTSB coded, in order, by phase of flight. The defining event best describes what happened.

- [Landing: Loss of control on ground](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/230) (defining event); cases with it: [Piper J3C-65, 28 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/230/sequence.md?model=7100510), [All aircraft, 4,585 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/230/sequence.md)
- [Landing-landing roll: Collision with terr/obj (non-CFIT) ](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/470); cases with it: [Piper J3C-65, 54 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/470/sequence.md?model=7100510), [All aircraft, 10,189 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/470/sequence.md)

## Analysis

The airplane was landing on runway 08 (3,058 feet by 50 feet, asphalt) when it veered off the runway and impacted terrain resulting in structural damage to the airplane. The pilot was uninjured. The pilot and registered owner/operator were sent National Transportation Safety Board  (NTSB) Accident/Incident Report forms via Certified Mail for completion and return to the NTSB.  Neither of these forms were received by the NTSB.

## Factual narrative

The airplane was landing on runway 08 (3,058 feet by 50 feet, asphalt) when it veered off the runway and impacted terrain resulting in structural damage to the airplane. The pilot was uninjured. The pilot and registered owner/operator were sent National Transportation Safety Board  (NTSB) Accident/Incident Report forms relating to this accident for completion and return to the NTSB.  Neither of these forms were received by the NTSB.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N30451](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N30451), registered now, S/N 4840, built 1940 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: Piper J3C-65
- Registry model: [Piper J3C-65](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-j3c-65) (registry code 7100510) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Continental A&C65 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/continental-a-c65-series) (registry code 17003, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 4840
- Engines: Continental A&C65 reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Operator: John Graham
- Registered owner: John Graham
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Departed: 3CK, Lake In The Hil
- Destination: 3CK, Lake In The Hil, IL
- Flight plan: Unknown

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 60; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 3; flight hours: 698 total, 40 in this make and model

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 20080705843469A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20080705843469A), Jul 5, 2008: Piper J3C65, Chicago/Lake I, IL, Substantial damage. (-23) Pilot made a wheel landing on runway 8. The crossed the threshold at 50-60 mph. After 2 seconds the pilot allowed the tailwheel to settle to the runway.…

## Other investigations on N30451 (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB MIA77FKJ30](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/MIA77FKJ30), Apr 16, 1977: Piper J3 (N30451), Graysville, AL, substantial damage

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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