# NTSB CHI83LA038: Piper PA-28-181, N8259M, Grayslake, IL, November 17, 1982

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: November 17, 1982, 15:45 local (21:45 UTC)
- Place: Grayslake, IL
- Location: 42.3246° N, 88.0741° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs at CAMPBELL (C81), within about a mile (OpenAirDocs)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=42.3246&lon=-88.0741&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 1 uninjured
- Status: Completed, report November 17, 1983
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 70894
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=CHI83LA038
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/70894/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CHI83LA038

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - on ground/water, landing - flare/touchdown
  - weather condition - crosswind (contributing factor)
  - directional control - not maintained, pilot in command (cause)
  - ground loop/swerve - inadvertent, pilot in command
- On ground/water encounter with terrain/water, landing - roll
  - terrain condition - ditch (contributing factor)

## Analysis

DURING ARRIVAL, THE PILOT LANDED ON RUNWAY 24 WITH A LEFT QUARTERING, GUSTY HEAD WIND AT 8 TO 10 KTS. THE PILOT REPORTED THAT DURING THE LANDING, THE AIRCRAFT SUDDENLY VEERED LEFT AND WENT OFF THE RUNWAY. AFTER DEPARTING THE RUNWAY, THE AIRCRAFT HIT A DITCH/BANK AND THE NOSE GEAR FAILED. THE PILOT SUSPECTED THAT THE NOSEWHEEL STEERING FAILED OR MALFUNCTIONED. HOWEVER, A MECHANIC INSPECTED THE NOSE GEAR AND THE STEERING SYSTEM AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY PREIMPACT MALFUNCTION.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N8259M](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8259M-1999-08-13), registration cancelled 1999-08-13, S/N 28-8190023 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-28-181
- Registry model: [Piper PA-28-181](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-181) (registry code 7102807) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 28-8190023
- Airframe hours: 720
- Engines: LYCOMING O-360-A4M 180 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Operator: Cardinal Aircraft Service
- Registered owner: Cardinal Aircraft Service
- Departed: FCM, MINNEAPOLIS, MN
- Destination: 2SG, SAGINAW, MI
- Airport: C81, Campbell, runway 24, 3,278 × 40 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 30; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; flight hours: 86 total, 18 in this make and model, 46 as pilot in command, 36 in the last 90 days, 2 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 170° at 8 knots
- Visibility: 15 statute miles
- Temperature: 122 °F
- Altimeter: 30.00 inHg
- Observed at: ORD, 25 nm away

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19821117059169A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19821117059169A), Nov 17, 1982: Piper PA28181, Grayslake, IL, Substantial damage. Bounced on landing. Lost control. Ran off into a ditch. No defects found. Possible nose wheel defected by pilot.

## Other investigations on N8259M (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB CHI97LA081](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CHI97LA081), Mar 7, 1997: Piper PA-28-181 (N8259M), Mosinee, WI, substantial damage. Probable cause: The formation of carburetor ice and the instructor pilot's failure to recognize conditions leading to carburetor icing and to take appropriate preventative action. Factors relating to this accident…

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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