# NTSB CHI85LA375: Cessna 172P II, N6508K, Detroit, MI, July 25, 1985

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: July 25, 1985, 09:30 local (13:30 UTC)
- Place: Detroit, MI
- Coordinates: 42.39999, -82.999404 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=42.4000&lon=-82.9994&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 1 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 13211
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=CHI85LA375
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/13211/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CHI85LA375

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Hard landing, landing - flare/touchdown
  - stall/mush - uncontrolled, pilot in command (cause)
  - flare - misjudged, pilot in command (cause)
  - recovery from bounced landing - not attained, pilot in command (cause)

## Analysis

THE PILOT WAS ON A VFR VASI APPROACH TO THE ATC CONTROLLED ARPT 5091 FT RUNWAY. DURING LD ROUND OUT THE PILOT SAID IT FELD LIKE THE ACFT WAS 'PUSHED' DOWN ONTHE RUNWAY. THE ACFT BOUNCED AND THEN LD ON THE NOSE WHEEL. THE PILOT SAID A HELICOPTER WAS IN A HOVER JUST RIGHT OF THE RUNWAY IN THE FLARE,TOUCHDOWN AREA.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N6508K](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N6508K), registered now, S/N 17274205, built 1980 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: CESSNA 172P II
- Registry model: [Cessna 172P](https://openairdocs.org/model/cessna-172p) (registry code 2072436) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (registry code 41508, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 1724205
- Airframe hours: 1416
- Engines: LYCOMING O-320-D2J 160 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Operator: Hot Props Flying Club,Inc.
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, June 8, 1985, 65 hours before
- Departed: D13, FRASER, MI
- Destination: DET, DETROIT, MI
- Airport: DET, Detroit City, runway 15, 5,091 × 100 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 50; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; flight hours: 172 total, 13 in this make and model, 59 as pilot in command, 11 in the last 90 days

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 180° at 10 knots
- Visibility: 10 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: -0 °F, dew point -0 °F
- Altimeter: 29.00 inHg
- Observed at: DET

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19850725051829A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19850725051829A), Jul 25, 1985: Cessna 172P, Detroit, MI, Substantial damage. Bounced on landing and came down on the nose wheel. Damage noted after taxiing to FBO.

## Other investigations on N6508K (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB GAA18CA391](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/GAA18CA391), Jul 2, 2018: Cessna 172 (N6508K), Troy, MI, substantial damage. Probable cause: The student pilot’s failure to maintain a proper landing flare, which resulted in a hard, porpoised landing during an aborted go-around.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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