# NTSB ERA25LA003: Piper PA28, N8575F, Tampa Bay, FL, October 3, 2024

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Class 3 · Limited · Final report
- Date: October 3, 2024, 11:40 local (15:40 UTC)
- Place: Tampa Bay, FL
- Coordinates: 27.714296, -82.523125 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=27.7143&lon=-82.5231&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Approach](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/500) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Defining event: [Approach: Fuel starvation](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/191)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 1 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- Investigation class: Class 3
- NTSB office: Eastern Region Aviation
- Parties: FAA/FSDO
- NTSB case key (mKey): 195267
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=ERA25LA003
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/195267/pdf
- NTSB docket: https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=195267
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/ERA25LA003

## Probable cause

A total loss of engine power in flight due to fuel starvation. Contributing to the accident was the inadequate preflight fuel planning by the student pilot and flight instructor, and the improper inflight fuel management by the student pilot.

## Findings

NTSB's coded findings; those marked are part of the probable cause.

- [Fluids: fuel](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01071010): Aircraft › Fluids/misc hardware · Fluid management (probable cause); cases with it: [Piper PA-28-181, 20 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01071010/cases.md?model=7102807), [All aircraft, 1,695 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01071010/cases.md)
- [Fluids: fuel](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01071010): Aircraft › Fluids/misc hardware · Fluid level (probable cause); cases with it: [Piper PA-28-181, 20 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01071010/cases.md?model=7102807), [All aircraft, 1,695 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01071010/cases.md)
- [Info processing/decision: decision making/judgment](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02041520): Personnel issues › Action/decision · Student/instructed pilot (probable cause); cases with it: [Piper PA-28-181, 21 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02041520/cases.md?model=7102807), [All aircraft, 3,098 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02041520/cases.md)
- [Attention/monitoring: monitoring equip/instruments](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02021525): Personnel issues › Psychological · Student/instructed pilot (probable cause); cases with it: [Piper PA-28-181, 3 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02021525/cases.md?model=7102807), [All aircraft, 142 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02021525/cases.md)
- [Planning/preparation: fuel planning](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02061030): Personnel issues › Task performance · Student/instructed pilot (probable cause); cases with it: [Piper PA-28-181, 12 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02061030/cases.md?model=7102807), [All aircraft, 719 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02061030/cases.md)
- [Planning/preparation: fuel planning](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02061030): Personnel issues › Task performance · Instructor/check pilot (probable cause); cases with it: [Piper PA-28-181, 12 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02061030/cases.md?model=7102807), [All aircraft, 719 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02061030/cases.md)

## Sequence of events

The events NTSB coded, in order, by phase of flight. The defining event best describes what happened.

- [Approach: Fuel starvation](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/191) (defining event); cases with it: [Piper PA-28-181, 8 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/191/sequence.md?model=7102807), [All aircraft, 733 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/191/sequence.md)
- [Approach: Ditching](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/441); cases with it: [Piper PA-28-181, 2 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/441/sequence.md?model=7102807), [All aircraft, 186 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/441/sequence.md)

## Analysis

The student pilot reported that, during the fourth leg of a cross-country flight about 800 ft above the ground and about 9 nm from his destination, “the engine stalled, came back and stalled again.” The engine lost all power, and the student pilot reported that he did not complete the engine power loss in-flight checklist due to the airplane’s low altitude. He executed an emergency water landing rather than landing in tree-covered terrain. The airplane subsequently impacted the water, resulting in substantial damage to the left wing. A postaccident examination of the airframe and engine revealed no evidence of any preimpact mechanical malfunctions or failures that would have precluded normal operation. Originally, the student pilot’s planned route of flight for the cross-country flight was about 217 nm long; however, due to the weather, an alternate route was flown that was about 284 nm long, about 67 nm further than planned. After completing the first two legs of the flight, he dropped off his flight instructor at the airport where the airplane was based and continued on with the last two legs of the solo cross-country flight. Postaccident fuel consumption calculations showed that if the student pilot had switched fuel tanks every 30 minutes when the avionics alerted him to do so, at the time of the accident the selected fuel tank would have likely used about 22.4 gallons of fuel. It also found the other wing fuel tank would have likely used about 15.6 gallons of fuel. According to the airplane’s flight manual, the airplane held 50 gallons of fuel with 48 gallons usable fuel—with 24 gallons in each tank. Based on the fuel calculations and the reported performance of the engine, it is likely that the engine was starved of fuel, resulting in a total loss of engine power. The first action item on the engine power loss in-flight checklist was “Fuel Selector…switch to tank containing fuel”

## Factual narrative

On October 3, 2024, about 1140 eastern daylight time, a Piper PA-28-181, N8575F, was substantially damaged when it was involved in an accident in Tampa Bay, Florida. The student pilot was not injured. The airplane was operated as a Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 instructional flight. The student pilot reported that the plan for the day was for he and his flight instructor to fly a round-trip cross-country flight from Albert Whitted Airport (SPG), St. Petersburg, Florida, to Arcadia Municipal Airport (X06), Arcadia, Florida, a straight-line distance of 54.2 nm. After returning with his flight instructor to SPG, the student pilot would then fly the same cross-country flight solo. The student pilot reported that he had arrived at the airport and performed a preflight inspection of the airplane. The flight instructor reported that when he arrived at the airport, the student pilot had performed a preflight inspection of the airplane, verified full fuel, and had calculated how much fuel was needed to complete the flight. The flight departed SPG about 0830 and the student pilot reported that as the flight crossed Tampa Bay, they noticed cloud cover becoming denser and they made the decision to change the destination from X06 to Sebring Regional Airport (SEF), Sebring, Florida, a straight-line distance of 70.9 nm, which added 16.7 nm straight-line distance from SPG. They landed at SEF and returned to SPG, where the student pilot dropped off his flight instructor about 1000. About 1007, he departed on his solo flight for SEF, where he landed about 1058. He departed for SPG at 1106. About 9 nm from SPG and an altitude of about 800 ft mean sea level (msl), the student pilot reported that “the engine stalled, came back and stalled again.” The airplane descended and impacted the water, resulting in substantial damage to the left wing. The student pilot reported that there were no preaccident mechanical malfunctions or failures with the airplane that would have precluded normal operation. A postaccident examination of the airframe and engine did not reveal any preaccident mechanical malfunctions or failures with the airplane. Fueling records showed that the airplane received 24.9 gallons of fuel the day before the accident flight, and the student pilot reported that the fuel was full before the 1st leg of the day. He also reported that he did not refuel the airplane at any point. The airplane’s Pilot’s Operating Handbook (POH) states that the airplane has a total fuel capacity of 50 US gallons, of which, 48 US gallons are usable. The student pilot reported that due to the altitude of the flights being under 3,000 ft msl, he never leaned the mixture. He also reported that he had switched between fuel tanks throughout the flights when prompted by the avionics and that this prompt was on a timer set for 30 minutes. Fuel calculations performed using data recovered from the onboard avionics, the POH, and fuel consumption from the engine manufacturerfound that, not including time spent with the engine running on the ground, one tank would have used about 22.4 gallons of fuel and the other about 15.6 gallons of fuel if the fuel selector was switched from one tank to the other every 30 minutes. The student pilot reported that once the engine lost power, he did “ABC; airspeed, best place to land and checklist but I did not have enough time for checklist.” A review of the POH showed that the first item on the “Engine Power Loss In Flight” checklist is “Fuel Selector…switch to tank containing fuel.”

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N8575F](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8575F-2026-07-11), registration cancelled 2026-07-11, S/N 28-7790259, built 1976 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA28 (181)
- Registry model: [Piper PA-28-181](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-181) (registry code 7102807) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming O&VO-360 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-o-vo-360-series) (registry code 41514, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 28-7790259
- Year built: 1976
- Airframe hours: 7460
- Engines: Lycoming O-360-A4A 180 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Operator: St Pete Aviation Services LLC
- Registered owner: St Pete Aviation Services LLC
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: 100 hour, August 23, 2024, 96.88 hours before
- Departed: SEF, Sebring, FL
- Destination: SPG, St Petersburg, FL
- Airport: SPG
- Equipment: Stall warning system, Electronic primary flight display, ADS-B

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 30; injuries: minor; student; medical: class 1, without waivers/limitations; seat: left; restraint: 3-point; flight hours: 22.4 total, 22.4 in this make and model

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 80° at 6 knots
- Visibility: 10 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 88 °F, dew point 79 °F
- Altimeter: 29.96 inHg
- Observed at: SPG, 6 nm away
- METAR: METAR KSPG 031553Z 08006KT 10SM CLR 31/26 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP144 T03060261

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 20241003016029A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20241003016029A), Oct 3, 2024: Piper PA-28-181, Tampa, FL, Substantial damage. On October 3, 2024, at 1230 EDT, a Piper PA28, [privacy data omitted] student pilot was flying solo cross country. When the aircraft had an engine failure…

## Docket (15 files)

The files NTSB released with the investigation on June 4, 2025, on NTSB's docket system: https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=195267. 47.1 MB in all.

- Pilot/operator aircraft accident report, NTSB form 6120.1 (item 1, PDF, 10 pages, 1.6 MB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18619751&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=ERA25LA003%206120.1_Redacted-Rel.pdf
- FAA interview - student pilot (item 2, PDF, 2 pages, 235 KB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18619949&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=FAA%20Student%20Pilot%20Interview-Rel.pdf
- Memorandum for record a�� questions for student pilot (item 3, PDF, 1 page, 83 KB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18620036&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=MOR%20Pilot%20questions-Rel.pdf
- FAA interview - flight instructor (item 4, PDF, 2 pages, 232 KB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18620056&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=FAA%20Flight%20Instructor%20Interview-Rel.pdf
- Fueling records (item 5, PDF, 2 pages, 102 KB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18620807&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=Fuel_Invoice_SPG_Oct_2_Redacted-Rel.pdf
- Memorandum for record a�� fuel calculations (item 6, PDF, 2 pages, 72 KB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18620601&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=MOR%20Fuel%20calculation-Rel.pdf
- Memorandum for record a�� Lycoming fuel consumption (item 7, PDF, 1 page, 64 KB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18620487&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=MOR%20Lycoming%20Fuel%20Consumption-Rel.pdf
- Piper cherokee archer ii pilot's operating handbook (item 8, PDF, 206 pages, 9.8 MB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18621021&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=PA-28-181-Archer-II-POH--Rel.pdf
- Flight track data from onboard avionics (item 9, KML, 14.6 MB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18620901&FileExtension=KML&FileName=ERA25LA003_20241003_all_legs-Rel.KML
- Photos (item 10, PDF, 3 pages, 973 KB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18620406&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=Photo%20Array%20ERA25LA003-Rel.pdf
- Wreckage examination (item 11, PDF, 30 pages, 7.8 MB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18620611&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=ERA25LA003%20Exam%20Summary%20-Rel.pdf
- Cockpit display - recorded flight data - specialist's factual report (item 12, PDF, 10 pages, 2.4 MB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18606839&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=ERA25LA003%20Cockpit%20Display%20-%20Recorded%20Flight%20Data%20-%20Specialist%27s%20Factual%20Report-Rel.pdf
- Attachment 1 to cockpit display - recorded flight data - specialist's factual report (item 13, CSV, 9.0 MB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18605984&FileExtension=csv&FileName=ERA25LA003%20Attachment%201%20to%20Cockpit%20Display%20-%20Recorded%20Flight%20Data%20-%20Specialist%27s%20Factual%20Report-Rel.csv
- Evidence control form (item 14, PDF, 1 page, 95 KB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18620817&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=Avionics%20Evidence%20Control%20Form_Redacted-Rel.pdf
- Release of aircraft wreckage, NTSB form 6120.15 (item 15, PDF, 1 page, 76 KB): https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18621356&FileExtension=pdf&FileName=ERA25LA003%20Release-of-Wreckage-Form%20Signed_Redacted-Rel.pdf

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