# NTSB FTW84LA410: Piper PA-24, N9128P, Kerrville, TX, September 9, 1984

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: September 9, 1984, 12:00 local (17:00 UTC)
- Place: Kerrville, TX
- Coordinates: 30.039518, -99.129959 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=30.0395&lon=-99.1300&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 4 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 21479
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=FTW84LA410
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/21479/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/FTW84LA410

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Nose gear collapsed, landing
  - flight controls - improper use of, pilot in command (cause)
  - landing gear,nose gear assembly - overload
  - recovery from bounced landing - improper, pilot in command (contributing factor)

## Analysis

PLT STATED THAT AFTER FAILING TO GET A 'GEAR DOWN' LIGHT, HE CYCLED GEAR WITH NO SUCCESS IN OBTAINING A LIGHT AND RECEIVED NO RESPONSE TO CALL ON UNICOM FREQUENCY FOR VISUAL CHECK FROM GROUND. PLT STATED HE ELECTED TO LAND ANYWAY AND THAT NOSE GEAR COLLAPSED ON NORMAL TOUCHDOWN. WITNESS (LINEMAN) STATED NO CALL WAS RECEIVED ON UNICOM FREQUENCY. HE OBSERVED THE ACFT IN THE PATTERN AND THE GEAR APPEARED TO BE DOWN. WITNESS FURTHER STATED HE OBSERVED THE ACFT LAND ON THE MAIN GEAR AND WHEN THE NOSE GEAR WAS LOWERED TO RUNWAY SURFACE IT COLLAPSED AS THE NOSE REBOUNDED AND THE ACFT BOUNCED SEVERAL FEET INTO THE AIR. THE ACFT TOUCHED DOWN AND BOUNCED TWICE MORE BEFORE REMAINING ON GROUND. INSPECTION REVEALED SUBSTANTIAL OVERLOAD DAMAGE TO NOSE GEAR STRUCTURAL ATTACHMENT AND ACFT TAIL SKID DRIVEN UP INTO LOWER FUSELAGE.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N9128P](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N9128P), registered now, S/N 24-4608, built 1966 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-24
- Registry model: [Piper PA-24-260](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-24-260) (registry code 7102406) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming TI0-540 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-ti0-540-series) (registry code 41533, turbo-prop) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 24-4608
- Airframe hours: 2200
- Engines: LYCOMING O-540-E4A5 260 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Business, Part 91
- Registered owner: John Petry
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, July 30, 1984
- Departed: CARRIZO SPRINGS, TX
- Airport: ERV, Schreiner, runway 12, 4,400 × 100 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 61; commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land, multi-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; flight hours: 6,650 total, 200 in this make and model, 6,300 as pilot in command, 89 in the last 90 days, 2 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 180° at 6 knots, gusting 10
- Visibility: 7 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19840909053109A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19840909053109A), Sep 9, 1984: Piper PA24260, Kerrville, TX, Substantial damage. Landing gear collapsed during hard landing. Pilot stated there was no gear locked light. Gear failed in overstress.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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