# NTSB FTW85LA036: Robinson R22, N8360A, New Orleans, LA, November 5, 1984

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: November 5, 1984, 12:40 local (18:40 UTC)
- Place: New Orleans, LA
- Coordinates: 30.019927, -89.980384 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=30.0199&lon=-89.9804&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 21617
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=FTW85LA036
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/21617/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/FTW85LA036

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Hard landing, landing - flare/touchdown
  - autorotation - simulated, pilot in command(cfi)
  - proper descent rate - exceeded, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
- Propeller/rotor contact to person, landing - flare/touchdown
- Roll over, landing - flare/touchdown

## Analysis

ACCORDING TO THE CFI THERE WAS NO INTENTION TO PERFORM 'TOUCHDOWN' AUTOROTATION LANDINGS. DURING THE THIRD SIMULATED POWER LOSS THE CFI REPORTED THAT HE INITIATED THE FLARE AT ABOUT 55 FT AGL. AS AIRSPEED DISSIPATED AND THE SINK RATE CONTINUED THE CFI INCREASED COLLECTIVE ANTICIPATING A 'HARD RUN-ON LANDING.' THE FRONT OF THE SKIDS DUG INTO THE UNIMPROVED TERRAIN CAUSING THE HELICOPTER TO ROLL OVER. THERE WERE NO REPORTED MECHANICAL MALFUNCTIONS.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N8360A](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8360A-2014-12-22), registration cancelled 2014-12-22, S/N 0304, built 1982 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: ROBINSON R22
- Registry model: [Robinson Helicopter R22](https://openairdocs.org/model/robinson-helicopter-r22) (registry code 7640102) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (registry code 41508, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Helicopter
- Serial number: 0304
- Airframe hours: 265
- Engines: LYCOMING O-320-B2C 124 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Registered owner: Lakefront Helicopters Inc.
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: 100 hour, October 11, 1984, 37 hours before
- Departed: NEW, NEW ORLEANS, LA

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 32; commercial, flight instructor; instrument ratings: helicopter; medical: class 2, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; flight hours: 1,051 total, 605 in this make and model, 890 as pilot in command, 65 in the last 90 days, 2 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 360° at 13 knots
- Visibility: 7 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19841105060009A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19841105060009A), Nov 5, 1984: Robsin R22, New Orleans, LA, Substantial damage. During third simulated power loss a flare was initiated but sink continued. Nosed over after skids dug in.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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