# NTSB FTW85LA057: Piper PA-38-112, N2478B, Newcastle, OK, November 24, 1984

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: November 24, 1984, 08:00 local (14:00 UTC)
- Place: Newcastle, OK
- Coordinates: 35.24055, -97.589645 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=35.2405&lon=-97.5896&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Approach](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/500) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 21630
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=FTW85LA057
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/21630/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/FTW85LA057

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - in flight, go-around (vfr)
  - raising of flaps - improper use of, dual student (contributing factor)
  - throttle/power control - not performed, dual student (contributing factor)
  - remedial action - delayed, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
  - relinquishing of control - not understood, dual student (contributing factor)
  - supervision - inadequate, pilot in command(cfi) (contributing factor)
  - airspeed(vs) - not maintained, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
  - stall/mush - inadvertent
- In flight collision with terrain/water, descent - uncontrolled
  - terrain condition - open field

## Analysis

ON SIMULATED EMERG LANDING, INSTRUCTOR EVALUATED APPROACH AS UNSALVAGABLE & AT 1700 FT AGL TOLD STUDENT TO EXECUTE GO-AROUND. STUDENT HAD ALLOWED AIRSPEED TO DECAY IN AN EFFORT TO STRETCH GLIDE. STUDENT RAISED FLAPS & DID NOT ADD PWR. AS ACFT SETTLED, INSTRUCTOR ADDED PWR AND REDEPLOYED FLAPS. INSTRUCTOR STATED HIS ATTEMPTS TO LOWER ACFT NOSE TO GAIN AIRSPEED WERE THWARTED BY STUDENTS FAILURE TO RELINQUISH CONTROL AND CONTINUED APPLICATION OF NOSE UP INPUT. INSTRUCTOR GAINED CONTROL TOO LATE TO AVOID STALL/MUSH INTO SOD FIELD.

## Aircraft

- Registration: N2478B (not matched to a registry record)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-38-112
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 79A0081
- Airframe hours: 3450
- Engines: LYCOMING O-235-L2C 115 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Registered owner: Aero-Flite Of Norman
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: 100 hour, October 15, 1984, 50 hours before
- Departed: OUN, NORMAN, OK

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 24; commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: right; flight hours: 860 total, 501 in this make and model, 745 as pilot in command, 313 in the last 90 days, 1 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Dawn
- Wind: 120° at 4 knots
- Visibility: 15 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 36 °F, dew point 30 °F
- Altimeter: 30.00 inHg

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19841124076039A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19841124076039A), Nov 24, 1984: Piper PA38112, Newcastle, OK, Substantial damage. On goaround, student kept pulling back on control yoke. By the time instructor could get control, aircraft stalled.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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