# NTSB FTW85LA175: Piper PA-28-181, N8052T, Carney, OK, April 6, 1985

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: April 6, 1985, 16:45 local (22:45 UTC)
- Place: Carney, OK
- Coordinates: 35.799003, -97.010971 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=35.7990&lon=-97.0110&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Takeoff](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/300) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 21717
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=FTW85LA175
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/21717/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/FTW85LA175

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - on ground/water, takeoff - roll/run
  - performance data - not used, pilot in command (cause)
  - lack of recent experience in type operation, pilot in command (contributing factor)
  - judgment - poor, pilot in command (contributing factor)
  - aborted takeoff - attempted, pilot in command (contributing factor)
  - directional control - not maintained, pilot in command (cause)
- On ground/water encounter with terrain/water, takeoff - roll/run

## Analysis

PLT ATTEMPTED TO ABORT TAKEOFF FROM GRASS STRIP MOWED IN PASTURE. PLT LOST CONTROL AND ACFT RECEIVED SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE WHEN IT RAN OFF RWY AND COLLIDED WITH DIRT BANK RWY ESTIMATED TO BE BETWEEN 1,000 FT TO 1200 FT LONG.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N8052T](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N8052T), registered now, S/N 28-8216091, built 1981 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-28-181
- Registry model: [Piper PA-28-161](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-161) (registry code 7102803) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (registry code 41508, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 28-8216091
- Airframe hours: 1697
- Engines: LYCOMING O-360-A4M 180 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Registered owner: Robert Treece
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Destination: PWA, OKLAHOMA CITY, OK

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 27; commercial; airplane ratings: multi-engine land, single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 1, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: left; flight hours: 837 total, 649 in this make and model, 649 as pilot in command, 6 in the last 90 days, 1 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 60° at 4 knots
- Visibility: 20 statute miles
- Temperature: 66 °F, dew point 34 °F
- Altimeter: 29.00 inHg

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19850406057119A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19850406057119A), Apr 6, 1985: Piper PA28181, Carney, OK, Substantial damage. Attempted to abort takeoff from mowed pasture and struck dirt bank. Pilot felt he would not clear powerlines.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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