# NTSB LAX07CA243: Piper PA-34-200T, N9356K, Big Creek, ID, August 4, 2007 - Type: NTSB accident investigation - Classification: Accident · No injuries · Data collection · Final report - Date: August 4, 2007, 11:00 local (17:00 UTC) - Place: Big Creek, ID - Coordinates: 45.133056, -115.321945 - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=45.1331&lon=-115.3219&mi=10 - Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping) - Highest injury: No injuries - Injuries: 1 uninjured - Status: Completed, report October 31, 2007 - Report: Approved by Office Director - Parties: Federal Aviation Administration - NTSB case key (mKey): 66402 - NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX07CA243 - NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/66402/pdf - Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX07CA243 ## Probable cause The pilot's misjudgment of distance and speed, which led to a long landing, and his delayed application of brakes that resulted in long landing and a runway overrun. ## Sequence of events In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf). - Overrun, landing - roll - distance/speed - misjudged, pilot in command (cause) - weather condition - gusts - proper touchdown point - not attained, pilot in command (cause) - On ground/water encounter with terrain/water, landing - roll - terrain condition - drop-off/descending embankment ## Analysis The pilot landed long, overran the departure end of the runway, and veered down an embankment. The pilot reported that he landed about 1/4 of the way down the runway, and he did not apply heavy breaking until passing about midfield, but "the deceleration was not sufficient to stop before the end of the runway." About 1,100 feet of heavy breaking evidence was noted in the surface of the turf runway. The pilot reported that no mechanical malfunctions had been experienced with his airplane. The airport's elevation is 5,743 feet mean sea level, and runway 01 is 3,550 feet long. A bystander reportedly indicated that a strong wind blew in a northerly direction as the pilot approached the airport's runway 01; however, the pilot indicated that upon arriving over the airport both windsocks indicated a calm wind. ## Factual narrative On August 4, 2007, about 1100 mountain daylight time, a Piper PA-34-200T, N9356K, landed long on runway 01 at the Big Creek (uncontrolled) Airport, Big Creek, Idaho. The airplane overran the departure end of the runway and slid down an embankment. The airplane came to rest on its tail and left wing, and it was substantially damaged. The private pilot, who owned and operated the airplane, was not injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the personal flight, and no flight plan had been filed. The flight was performed under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91, and it originated from Salmon, Idaho, about 1030. The pilot reported that upon arriving over the airport he observed both windsocks indicating the wind was calm. The pilot reported that he landed about 1/4 of the way down the runway. The pilot did not apply heavy breaking until passing about midfield, but "the deceleration was not sufficient to stop before the end of the runway." According to the pilot, he subsequently walked the airstrip and found tire marks from where he had applied hard braking to the accident site. The distance from the start of the marks to the end of the airstrip was about 1,100 feet. The pilot further reported that no mechanical malfunctions or failures were experienced with his airplane. The pilot also reported that a witness to the approach (but not his landing) indicated a strong wind blew in a northerly direction as the pilot flew over the airstrip. Big Creek Airport's runway 01 has a turf surface and is 3,550 feet long. The airport's elevation is 5,743 feet mean sea level. ## Aircraft - Registration: [N9356K](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N9356K-2012-07-10), registration cancelled 2012-07-10, S/N 34-7670199, built 1976 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: Piper PA-34-200T - Registry model: [Piper PA-34-200T](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-34-200t) (registry code 7103406) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: [Continental TSIO-360 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/continental-tsio-360-series) (registry code 17019, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 34-7670199 - Engines: Continental TSIO-360-EB10 reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Personal, Part 91 - Registered owner: Richard M. Natelson - Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal - Departed: SMN, Salmon, ID - Destination: U60, Big Creek, ID - Airport: U60, Big Creek, runway 01, 3,550 × 110 ft, grass/turf ## Flight crew As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names. - Pilot; age 55; private; airplane ratings: multi-engine land, single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 3; flight hours: 1,921 total, 1,363 in this make and model, 10 in the last 90 days, 5 in the last 30 days ## Weather - Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day - Wind: calm - Visibility: 4 statute miles - Lowest ceiling: none - Temperature: 70 °F ## FAA reports on this event (1) The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs). - [Accident 20070804019299A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20070804019299A), Aug 4, 2007: Piper PA34200T, Big Creek, ID, Substantial damage. (-23) Initial report indicates that the aircraft landed long while on final for rnwy 01 at Big Creek, ID (U60). Aircraft came to rest off the end of rnwy, with… From the NTSB's public API. 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