# NTSB LAX07LA134: Piper PA-28-161, N8171V, Palo Alto, CA, April 23, 2007 - Type: NTSB accident investigation - Classification: Accident · Minor injuries · Limited investigation · Final report - Date: April 23, 2007, 09:30 local (16:30 UTC) - Place: Palo Alto, CA - Coordinates: 37.461111, -122.115 - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=37.4611&lon=-122.1150&mi=10 - Phase of flight: [Initial climb](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/350) (OpenAirDocs' grouping) - Highest injury: Minor injuries - Injuries: 1 minor - Status: Completed, report November 29, 2007 - Report: Approved by Office Director - Parties: Federal Aviation Administration - NTSB case key (mKey): 65638 - NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX07LA134 - NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/65638/pdf - Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX07LA134 ## Probable cause a loss of engine power for undetermined reasons. ## Sequence of events In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf). - Loss of engine power, takeoff - initial climb - reason for occurrence undetermined (cause) - Forced landing, emergency landing after takeoff - In flight collision with terrain/water, emergency descent/landing - terrain condition - soft ## Analysis The engine experienced a loss of power during the takeoff initial climb and the airplane collided with terrain. The pilot stated that as the airplane reached about 300 feet above ground level (agl), the engine experienced a loss of power. In response, the pilot manipulated the throttle forward and aft, which resulted in a temporary surge. The engine subsequently failed to produce any power. The pilot switched the fuel tank selector, but the engine did not restart. The airplane continued to descend, and as landing gear touched down in the soft mud, the airplane suddenly stopped and collided with terrain. An aviation mechanic examined the airplane under the auspice of a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) inspector. The inspector stated that the examination revealed no evidence of mechanical malfunction or failures with the airframe or engine that would have precluded normal operation. ## Factual narrative HISTORY OF FLIGHT On April 23, 2007, about 0930 Pacific daylight time, a Piper PA-28-161, N8171V, experienced a loss of power during the takeoff initial climb and collided with terrain at Palo Alto, California. Shoreline Flying Club was operating the airplane under the provisions of 14 CFR Part 91. The student pilot, the sole occupant, sustained minor injuries; the airplane sustained substantial damage. The local instructional flight was originating from the Palo Alto Airport of Santa Clara County Airport at the time of the accident. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and a flight plan had not been filed. A Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) inspector stated that he had communicated with the student pilot following the accident. The student pilot reported that during the initial climb out from runway 31, the engine experienced a loss of power. The airplane collided with the ground in a marsh about 200 yards from the departure end of the runway surface. In a written statement, the pilot reported that fuel was added prior to departure. After it was fueled, the pilot sumped the tank, confirming it was not contaminated with water. The pilot taxied the airplane to the active runway and conducted a run-up. Noting nothing unusual, the pilot departed. As the airplane reached about 300 feet above ground level (agl), the engine experienced a loss of power. In response, the pilot manipulated the throttle forward and aft, which resulted in a temporary surge, but the engine eventually failed to produce any power. The pilot switched the fuel tank selector from the right to the left position. The airplane continued to descend, and as landing gear touched down in the soft mud, the airplane suddenly stopped and collided with terrain TESTS AND RESEARCH An aviation mechanic examined the airplane under the auspice of a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) inspector. In a written statement, the mechanic reported that the right fuel tank was full and the left tank was about 75 percent full with fuel. Removal of the carburetor revealed that the bowl was clean and full with fuel; no water was present. The float was inspected and found to be operating properly. The carburetor venturi, jets, and accelerator pump additionally appeared to be normal. The mechanic further stated that he removed the gascolator, which appeared to be clean of debris. The fuel filters were inspected and appeared clean. The electric boost pump was activated and appeared to be working normally. The spark plugs were removed and were visually inspected; the coloration was consistent with normal operating signatures. With the spark plugs attached to magneto leads, the mechanic activated the electric starter and obtained spark from each plug. The air induction system aft of the air filter appeared to be clean and free from contaminants; the front of the filter was packed with mud from the accident site. The FAA inspector stated that the examination revealed no evidence of mechanical malfunction or failures with the airframe or engine that would have precluded normal operation. ## Aircraft - Registration: [N8171V](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8171V-2018-01-09), registration cancelled 2018-01-09, S/N 28-8016282, built 1980 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: Piper PA-28-161 - Registry model: [Piper PA-28-161](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-161) (registry code 7102803) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (registry code 41508, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 28-8016282 - Engines: Lycoming O-320-D3G 160 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Instructional, Part 91 - Operator: Shoreline Flying Club - Registered owner: Rodriguez Alfonso - Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal - Last inspection: Annual, March 1, 2007 - Departed: PAO, Palo Alto, CA - Airport: PAO, Palo Alto Airport of Santa Cla, runway 31, 2,443 × 70 ft, dirt ## Flight crew As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names. - Pilot; age 64; injuries: minor; student; medical: class 3, with waivers/limitations; seat: left; flight hours: 77 total, 40 in this make and model, 37 as pilot in command, 5 in the last 90 days ## Weather - Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day - Wind: variable at 4 knots - Visibility: 25 statute miles - Lowest ceiling: none - Temperature: 57 °F, dew point 48 °F - Altimeter: 30.15 inHg - Observed at: PAO ## FAA reports on this event (1) The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs). - [Accident 20070423006239A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20070423006239A), Apr 23, 2007: Piper PA28161, Palo Alto, CA, Substantial damage. (-23) On April 23, at approximately 09:00, N8171V a Piper pa 28-161 aircraft departed Palo Alto municipal airport with a student pilot at the controls. Shortly… From the NTSB's public API. 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