# NTSB LAX08CA238: Cessna 182J, N3381F, Yellow Pine, ID, June 26, 2008 - Type: NTSB accident investigation - Classification: Accident · No injuries · Data collection · Final report - Date: June 26, 2008, 09:30 local (15:30 UTC) - Place: Yellow Pine, ID - Coordinates: 44.912223, -115.485557 - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=44.9122&lon=-115.4856&mi=10 - Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping) - Defining event: [Landing-flare/touchdown: Hard landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/092) - Highest injury: No injuries - Injuries: 1 uninjured - Status: Completed, report August 28, 2008 - Report: Approved by Office Director - Parties: Federal Aviation Administration - NTSB case key (mKey): 68495 - NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX08CA238 - NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/68495/pdf - Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX08CA238 ## Probable cause The pilot's non-stabilized approach that resulted in an improper flare and porpoise down the runway. ## Findings NTSB's coded findings; those marked are part of the probable cause. - [Performance/control parameters: descent/approach/glide path](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062040): Aircraft › Aircraft oper/perf/capability · Not attained/maintained (probable cause); cases with it: [Cessna 182J, 3 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062040/cases.md?model=2072722), [All aircraft, 809 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062040/cases.md) - [Performance/control parameters: landing flare](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062041): Aircraft › Aircraft oper/perf/capability · Incorrect use/operation (probable cause); cases with it: [Cessna 182J, 3 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062041/cases.md?model=2072722), [All aircraft, 1,285 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01062041/cases.md) - [Action: incorrect action sequence](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02041020): Personnel issues › Action/decision · Pilot (probable cause); cases with it: [Cessna 182J, 1 case](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02041020/cases.md?model=2072722), [All aircraft, 77 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/02041020/cases.md) ## Sequence of events The events NTSB coded, in order, by phase of flight. The defining event best describes what happened. - [Landing-flare/touchdown: Hard landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/092) (defining event); cases with it: [Cessna 182J, 3 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/092/sequence.md?model=2072722), [All aircraft, 2,102 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/092/sequence.md) ## Analysis The airplane was high and fast on the approach to the runway. When the pilot flared for landing, the airplane floated and he tried to force it on the ground. The airplane began to porpoise, contacting the ground twice before settling onto the runway for the third and final time. The pilot thought that the nose wheel was damaged when the airplane contacted the runway the second time, so he decided not to go around. The airplane sustained structural damage to the firewall. The pilot reported that there were no preimpact mechanical malfunctions or failures with the airframe or engine. ## Factual narrative In the pilot's written statement he reported that he was flying northbound in a canyon to land back to the south (runway 17). He said that while on the left downwind leg, at 5,800 feet, he turned "one ridge too soon, which put me a little high." He noted his airspeed as 70 miles per hour (mph); however, as he descended the airspeed increased to 90 mph. The pilot stated that the airspeed was fast, but he still had a lot of runway to work with. He decided to land and when he flared the airplane floated. Even though the airspeed was bleeding off, he tried to force the landing. After touchdown the airplane began to porpoise. On the second bounce, the nose wheel touched down first; he wasn't sure if it would be worse to take off with a damaged nose wheel or try to land. The third time it touched down, the pilot stated that he flew the airplane straight down the runway until it stopped on the right side of the runway. The airplane sustained structural damage to the firewall. The pilot reported that there were no preimpact mechanical malfunctions or failures with the airframe or engine. In the section titled RECOMMENDATION (How could this accident have been prevented) of the pilot's written report (NTSB Pilot/Operator Report, Form 6120.1), the pilot stated that he should have flown with a pilot familiar with the area, and he should have taken a course in mountain flying. The pilot also reported that when he knew that he was high, to go around and set up for a better approach. ## Aircraft - Registration: [N3381F](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N3381F), registered now, S/N 18257381, built 1966 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: Cessna 182J - Registry model: [Cessna 182J](https://openairdocs.org/model/cessna-182j) (registry code 2072722) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: [Continental O-470 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/continental-o-470-series) (registry code 17026, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 18257381 - Airframe hours: 2998 - Engines: Teledyne Continental O-470-S 230 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Personal, Part 91 - Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal - Departed: S30, LEBANON, OR - Destination: 3U2, Yellow Pine, ID - Airport: 3U2, Johnson Creek, runway 17, 3,400 × 150 ft, grass/turf ## Flight crew As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names. - Pilot; age 43; injuries: none; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3; last flight review July 1, 2007; seat: left; flight hours: 350 total, 306 in this make and model, 302 as pilot in command, 81 in the last 90 days, 23 in the last 30 days, 4 in the last 24 hours ## Weather - Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day - Wind: calm - Visibility: 10 statute miles - Lowest ceiling: none - Temperature: 57 °F, dew point 43 °F - Altimeter: 30.06 inHg - Observed at: KMYL, 26 nm away ## FAA reports on this event (1) The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs). - [Accident 20080626840039A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20080626840039A), Jun 26, 2008: Cessna 182, Yellow Pine, ID, Substantial damage. (-23) Pilot landed fast and long on runway 17. The aircraft porpoised three times and the nose gear was bent backward. The pilot lost directional control and… From the NTSB's public API. 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