# NTSB LAX70AL067: Piper PA-28R, N4695J, Ramona, CA, April 22, 1970

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Closed
- Date: April 22, 1970
- Place: Ramona, CA · RAMONA, CA
- Location: 33.0417° N, 116.8681° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs: center of Ramona, CA, within about 6 miles (OpenAirDocs)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.0417&lon=-116.8681&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Approach](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/500) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed, report August 4, 1970
- Report: Brief approved by the director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 141290
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX70AL067
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX70AL067

## NTSB brief (aircraft 2)

```
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 FILE    DATE          LOCATION          AIRCRAFT DATA       INJURIES       FLIGHT                        PILOT DATA
                                                               F  S M/N     PURPOSE
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3-0612  70/4/22    RAMONA,CALIF        CESSNA 150J         CR-  0  0  1  INSTRUCTIONAL             STUDENT, AGE 31, 30 TOTAL
        TIME - 1115                    N61183              PX-  0  0  0  SOLO                      HOURS, ALL IN TYPE, NOT
                                       DAMAGE-MINOR        OT-  0  0  1                            INSTRUMENT RATED.
        NAME OF AIRPORT - RAMONA
        DEPARTURE POINT             INTENDED DESTINATION         LAST ENROUTE STOP
          OCEANSIDE,CALIF             OCEANSIDE,CALIF              RAMONA,CALIF
        TYPE OF ACCIDENT                                         PHASE OF OPERATION
           COLLISION WITH AIRCRAFT: BOTH IN FLIGHT                  LANDING: FINAL APPROACH
        PROBABLE CAUSE(S)
           PILOT IN COMMAND - FAILED TO SEE AND AVOID OTHER AIRCRAFT
           PERSONNEL - MISCELLANEOUS-PERSONNEL: PILOT OF OTHER AIRCRAFT
         SPECIAL DATA
          SEGMENTS OF AVIATION INVOLVED - SMALL US GEN.AV.-SMALL US GEN.AV.
          CONTROLLING AGENCY - NO CONTROL                          RADAR CTL/SURVEILLANCE - RADAR SERVICE NOT AVAILABLE
          TRAFFIC ADVISORY ISSUED - NONE                           CONTROLLED/UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT - UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT
          CONTROL ZONE/AREA - NO                                   EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN - NO
          ANTI-COLLISION LIGHTS - INSTALLED,OPERATION UNKNOWN
        REMARKS- PIPER PLT SAW CESSNA HIGH ABOVE AND BEHIND ON DOWNWIND LEG.CESSNA PLT DIDNT SEE PIPER.
```

## NTSB brief (aircraft 1)

```
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 FILE    DATE          LOCATION          AIRCRAFT DATA       INJURIES       FLIGHT                        PILOT DATA
                                                               F  S M/N     PURPOSE
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3-0612  70/4/22    RAMONA,CALIF        PIPER PA-28R        CR-  0  0  1  INSTRUCTIONAL             STUDENT, AGE 25, 29 TOTAL
        TIME - 1115                    N4695J              PX-  0  0  0  SOLO                      HOURS, ALL IN TYPE, NOT
                                       DAMAGE-SUBSTANTIAL  OT-  0  0  1                            INSTRUMENT RATED.
        NAME OF AIRPORT - RAMONA
        DEPARTURE POINT             INTENDED DESTINATION         LAST ENROUTE STOP
          SAN DIEGO,CALIF             SAN DIEGO,CALIF              RAMONA,CALIF
        TYPE OF ACCIDENT                                         PHASE OF OPERATION
           COLLISION WITH AIRCRAFT: BOTH IN FLIGHT                  LANDING: FINAL APPROACH
        PROBABLE CAUSE(S)
           PILOT IN COMMAND - FAILED TO SEE AND AVOID OTHER AIRCRAFT
           PERSONNEL - MISCELLANEOUS-PERSONNEL: PILOT OF OTHER AIRCRAFT
         SPECIAL DATA
          SEGMENTS OF AVIATION INVOLVED - SMALL US GEN.AV.-SMALL US GEN.AV.
          CONTROLLING AGENCY - NO CONTROL                          RADAR CTL/SURVEILLANCE - RADAR SERVICE NOT AVAILABLE
          TRAFFIC ADVISORY ISSUED - NONE                           CONTROLLED/UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT - UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT
          CONTROL ZONE/AREA - NO                                   EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN - NO
          ANTI-COLLISION LIGHTS - INSTALLED,OPERATION UNKNOWN
        REMARKS- BOTH PLTS TRIED TO CALL UNICOM. HORIZ STAB AND VERT FIN OF PIPER DAMAGED. PLT MADE GO AROUND,LND.
```

## Aircraft 1

- Registration: [N4695J](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N4695J), registered now, S/N 28R-30598 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-28R
- Registry model: [Piper PA-28R-180](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28r-180) (registry code 7102809) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming I0360 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-i0360-series) (registry code 41515, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Engines: reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Airport: Ramona

## Aircraft 2

- Registration: [N61183](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N61183-2017-02-08), registration cancelled 2017-02-08, S/N 15070868, built 1969 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: CESSNA 150J
- Registry model: [Cessna 150J](https://openairdocs.org/model/cessna-150j) (registry code 2071820) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Continental 0-200 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/continental-0-200-series) (registry code 17020, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Engines: reciprocating
- Damage: Minor damage
- Airport: Ramona

## Other investigations on N4695J (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB LAX70D0126](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX70D0126), Sep 20, 1969: Piper PA-28R (N4695J), Chula Vista, CA, substantial damage

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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