# NTSB LAX78FUJ90: Piper PA-23, N5191Y, Scottsdale, AZ, July 24, 1978

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · Minor injuries · Closed
- Date: July 24, 1978
- Place: Scottsdale, AZ · SCOTTSDALE, AZ
- Location: 33.5092° N, 111.8990° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs: center of Scottsdale, AZ, within about 8 miles (OpenAirDocs)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.5092&lon=-111.8990&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Approach](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/500) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: Minor injuries
- Injuries: 1 minor, 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed, report September 19, 1978
- Report: Brief approved by the director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 140698
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX78FUJ90
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX78FUJ90

## NTSB brief

```
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 FILE    DATE          LOCATION          AIRCRAFT DATA       INJURIES       FLIGHT                        PILOT DATA
                                                               F  S M/N     PURPOSE
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3-2227  78/7/24    SCOTTSDALE,AZ       PIPER PA-23         CR-  0  0  1  NONCOMMERCIAL             COMMERCIAL, AGE 27, 860
        TIME - 1905                    N5191Y              PX-  0  0  2  BUSINESS                  TOTAL HOURS, 5 IN TYPE,
                                       DAMAGE-SUBSTANTIAL  OT-  0  0  0                            INSTRUMENT RATED.
        NAME OF AIRPORT - SCOTTSDALE
        DEPARTURE POINT             INTENDED DESTINATION
          LAS VEGAS,NV                PHOENIX,AZ
        TYPE OF ACCIDENT                                         PHASE OF OPERATION
           ENGINE FAILURE OR MALFUNCTION                            LANDING: FINAL APPROACH
           WHEELS-UP                                                LANDING: LEVEL OFF/TOUCHDOWN
        PROBABLE CAUSE(S)
           MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - INATTENTIVE TO FUEL SUPPLY
           PILOT IN COMMAND - MISMANAGEMENT OF FUEL
           MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - FUEL EXHAUSTION
        FACTOR(S)
           WEATHER - THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY
           MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - FAILURE OF TWO OR MORE ENGINES
           MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - INTENTIONAL WHEELS-UP
           TERRAIN - ROUGH/UNEVEN
        COMPLETE POWER LOSS - COMPLETE ENGINE FAILURE/FLAMEOUT-2 ENGINES
        WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, BY RADIO
        WEATHER FORECAST - UNKNOWN/NOT REPORTED
        EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES - FORCED LANDING OFF AIRPORT ON LAND
        SKY CONDITION                                            CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE
          OVERCAST                                                  8000
        VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE                              PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE
          5 OR OVER(UNLIMITED)                                     THUNDERSTORM
        OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE                  WIND DIRECTION-DEGREES
          BLOWING DUST                                             130
        WIND VELOCITY-KNOTS                                      TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS
           25                                                      VFR
        TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN
          NONE
        REMARKS- PLT INTENTIONALLY LNDD GEAR UP ON DSRT TERRAIN AFTER BOTH ENGINES QUIT.
```

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N5191Y](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N5191Y-1989-07-26), registration cancelled 1989-07-26, S/N 272238 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-23
- Registry model: [Piper PA-23-250](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-23-250) (registry code 7102308) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Engines: reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Airport: Scottsdale

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19780724023779A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19780724023779A), Jul 24, 1978: Piper PA23, Scottsdale, AZ, Substantial damage. Plt intentionally lndd gear up on dsrt terrain after both enginest.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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