# NTSB LAX83LA431: Piper PA-30B, N8211Y, Marysville, CA, September 8, 1983

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: September 8, 1983, 15:45 local (22:45 UTC)
- Place: Marysville, CA
- Location: 39.0978° N, 121.5698° W: Placed by OpenAirDocs at YUBA COUNTY (MYV), within about a mile (OpenAirDocs)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=39.0978&lon=-121.5698&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 23850
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX83LA431
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/23850/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX83LA431

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- In flight collision with terrain/water, landing - flare/touchdown
  - supervision - inadequate, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
  - wheels up landing - inadvertent, dual student (cause)

## Analysis

BOTH AIRCREW MEMBERS WERE MULTIENGINE RATED. ONE WAS A MULTIENGINE INSTRUCTOR PILOT (CFI) & WAS PROVIDING INSTRUCTION FOR THE OTHER TO BE UPGRADED AS A MULTIENGINE INSTRUCTOR. DURING A LANDING, THE ACFT TOUCHED DOWN WITH THE GEAR RETRACTED. NEITHER PILOT REALIZED THE GEAR WAS IN THE RETRACTED POSITON WHEN THE ACFT WAS TOUCHING DOWN.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N8211Y](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N8211Y), registered now, S/N 30-1338, built 1966 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-30B
- Registry model: [Piper PA-30](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-30) (registry code 7103002) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming IO-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-io-320-series) (registry code 41509, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 301388
- Airframe hours: 4259
- Engines: LYCOMING IO-320-BA 160 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Registered owner: Karl Harder
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, August 20, 1983, 8 hours before
- Departed: 051, LINCOLN, CA
- Airport: MYV, Yuba County, runway 14, 6,006 × 150 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 66; flight instructor, commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land, multi-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: right; flight hours: 11,106 total, 360 in this make and model, 10,891 as pilot in command, 70 in the last 90 days, 3 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 360° at 5 knots
- Visibility: 15 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19830908070299A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19830908070299A), Sep 8, 1983: Piper PA30, Marysville, CA, Substantial damage. Pilots forgot to lower landing gear.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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