# NTSB LAX83LUQ05: Piper PA-38-112, N9905T, Rosamond, CA, July 16, 1983

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Final report
- Date: July 16, 1983, 13:30 local (20:30 UTC)
- Place: Rosamond, CA
- Coordinates: 34.869644, -118.340095 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=34.8696&lon=-118.3401&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 3 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 23882
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX83LUQ05
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/23882/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX83LUQ05

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- On ground/water collision with object, landing - roll
  - visual lookout - inadequate, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
  - visual lookout - inadequate, dual student (cause)
  - visual lookout - inadequate, pilot of other aircraft (cause)
  - object - aircraft moving on ground (contributing factor)
- On ground/water collision with object, landing - roll
  - visual lookout - inadequate, pilot in command (cause)
  - visual lookout - inadequate, pilot of other aircraft (cause)
  - object - aircraft moving on ground (contributing factor)

## Analysis (aircraft 2)

A PIPER PA-38, N9905T, AND A BELLANCA 8GCBC, N8667V, COLLIDED AT THE INTERSECTION OF RWYS 22 & 25, WHILE THE ACFT WERE LANDING. THE PIPER PA-38 WAS ON A DUAL INSTRUCTIONAL FLT WHILE THE BELLANCA WAS BEING USED TO TOW GLIDERS. THE AIRCREW IN THE PA-38 SAW THE BELLANCA, JUST PRIOR TO IMPACT & INITIATED EVASIVE ACTION, BUT IT WAS TOO LATE TO AVOID A COLLISION. THE BELLANCA PLT DID NOT SEE THE PA-38 UNTIL THE IMPACT OCCURRED. DURING IMPACT, THE RIGHT WING OF THE PA-38 AND THE PROPELLER & NOSE OF THE BELLANCA WERE DAMAGED.

## Aircraft 1

- Registration: [N9905T](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N9905T-2014-12-01), registration cancelled 2014-12-01, S/N 38-78A0236, built 1978 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-38-112
- Registry model: [Piper PA-38-112](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-38-112) (registry code 7103812) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-235 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-235-series) (registry code 41505, 4 cycle) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 38-78A0256
- Airframe hours: 1914
- Engines: LYCOMING O-235-L2C 112 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Registered owner: Aronson Air Service Inc.
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, March 18, 1983, 80 hours before
- Airport: L00, Rosamond, runway 25, 2,616 × 40 ft, asphalt

## Aircraft 2

- Registration: [N8667V](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N8667V), registered now, S/N 17075, built 1975 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: BELLANCA 8GCBC
- Registry model: [Bellanca 8GCBC](https://openairdocs.org/model/bellanca-8gcbc) (registry code 1220803) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming O&VO-360 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-o-vo-360-series) (registry code 41514, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 170-75
- Airframe hours: 2238
- Engines: LYCOMING O-360 180 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Business, Part 91
- Operator: Aronson'S Air Service
- Registered owner: Samuel D. Ramsey
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, July 8, 1983, 6 hours before
- Airport: L00, Rosamond, runway 22, 2,294 × 40 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot, aircraft N9905T; age 56; flight instructor; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 2, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: right; flight hours: 3,987 total, 71 in this make and model, 3,895 as pilot in command, 60 in the last 90 days, 4 in the last 24 hours
- Pilot, aircraft N8667V; age 45; commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land, multi-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: center; flight hours: 1,379 total, 386 in this make and model, 1,190 as pilot in command, 55 in the last 90 days, 16 in the last 30 days, 3 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 220° at 10 knots, gusting 12
- Visibility: 20 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 81 °F
- Altimeter: 29.00 inHg

## FAA reports on this event (2)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19830716033811A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19830716033811A), Jul 16, 1983: Piper PA38112, Rosamond, CA, Substantial damage. Collided at a runway intersection on the landing roll with N8667V that had landed on runway 22. Neither saw other.
- [Accident 19830716033812A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19830716033812A), Jul 16, 1983: Bbavia 8GCBC, Rosamond, CA, Substantial damage. Collided at a runway intersection on the landing roll with N9905T that had landed on runway 25. Neither saw other.

## Other investigations on N9905T (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB LAX95LA099](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX95LA099), Feb 4, 1995: Piper PA-38-112 (N9905T), Rosamond, CA, substantial damage. Probable cause: FAILURE OF THE PILOT TO MAINTAIN DIRECTIONAL CONTROL. SOFT TERRAIN BESIDE THE RUNWAY WAS A RELATED FACTOR.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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