# NTSB LAX84LA365: Stinson 108, N97205, Camarillo, CA, June 23, 1984

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: June 23, 1984, 15:30 local (22:30 UTC)
- Place: Camarillo, CA
- Coordinates: 34.229335, -119.070938 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=34.2293&lon=-119.0709&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Takeoff](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/300) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 3 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 24321
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX84LA365
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/24321/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX84LA365

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - on ground/water, takeoff - roll/run
  - rudder - improper use of, unqualified person (cause)
  - remedial action - delayed, pilot in command (cause)
  - directional control - not maintained, unqualified person (cause)
  - ground loop/swerve - not corrected, unqualified person (cause)
- Main gear collapsed, takeoff - roll/run
  - wing - bent (contributing factor)
  - landing gear,main gear - failure,total (contributing factor)

## Analysis

A PROSPECTIVE BUYER IN THE LEFT SEAT WAS INITIATING A TAKEOFF IN A TAIL WHEEL ACFT WHEN THE ACFT GROUND LOOPED AND THE RIGHT MAIN LANDING GEAR COLLAPSED. THE OWNER IN THE RIGHT SEAT WAS UNABLE TO CORRECT THE SITUATION IN TIME. THE BUYER HAD PROFESSED PROFICIENCY BUT HE WAS NOT CURRENT AND HIS MEDICAL CERTIFICATE HAD EXPIRED IN 1961.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N97205](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N97205-2013-03-21), registration cancelled 2013-03-21, S/N 108-205, built 1946 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: STINSON 108
- Registry model: [Stinson 108](https://openairdocs.org/model/stinson-108) (registry code 9230402) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Franklin 6A4150 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/franklin-6a4150-series) (registry code 27024, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 108-205
- Airframe hours: 1395
- Engines: FRANKLIN 6A4-150-B3 150 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Part 91
- Registered owner: Raymond V. Knight
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Unknown, May 9, 1984
- Departed: CMA, CAMARILLO, CA
- Destination: CMA, CAMARILLO, CA
- Airport: CMA, Camarillo, runway 26, 6,020 × 150 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 52; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; flight hours: 708 total, 189 in this make and model, 394 as pilot in command, 123 in the last 90 days

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Visibility: 20 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 70 °F

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19840623026659A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19840623026659A), Jun 23, 1984: Univar 108, Camarillo, CA, Substantial damage. Owner allowed prospective buyer to fly from the left seat. Buyer unskilled in type lost control and ground looped.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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