# NTSB LAX85LA302: Meyers OTW, N23799, Winters, CA, July 2, 1985

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: July 2, 1985, 10:30 local (17:30 UTC)
- Place: Winters, CA
- Coordinates: 38.559429, -121.989952 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=38.5594&lon=-121.9900&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 24761
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX85LA302
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/24761/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX85LA302

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - on ground/water, landing - roll
  - directional control - not maintained, dual student (contributing factor)
- Nose over, landing - roll
  - brakes(normal) - excessive, pilot in command (cause)

## Analysis

THE PURPOSE OF THIS FLT WAS TO CHECK OUT A COMMERCIAL PLT IN THE ACFT. DUAL FLT CONTROLS & HEEL BRAKES WERE INSTALLED. THE STUDENT WAS PRACTICING LANDINGS & ON HIS 4TH OR 5TH LANDING ROLL, THE ACFT BEGAN TO TURN TO THE RIGHT. THE STUDENT APPLIED LEFT RUDDER & BRAKE BUT THE ACFT CONTINUED TO TURN TO THE RIGHT. THE INSTRUCTOR ALSO APPLIED BRAKES & THE ACFT NOSED OVER. BOTH PLT'S ADMITTED THAT EXCESSIVE BRAKING ACTION CAUSED THE NOSE OVER, AND THAT BOTH PLTS WERE USING THE BRAKES. THE INSTRUCTOR PLT REPORTED THAT HERE WERE NO MECHANICAL FAILURES OR MALFUNCTION OF THE ACFT.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N23799](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N23799-2024-04-27), registration cancelled 2024-04-27, S/N 2, built 1939 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: Meyers Aircraft Co. OTW
- Registry model: [Meyers OTW](https://openairdocs.org/model/meyers-otw) (registry code 5650202) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Warner SS40&50](https://openairdocs.org/engine/warner-ss40-50) (registry code 64503, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 2
- Airframe hours: 1844
- Engines: Warner UNKNOWN 165 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Registered owner: Sacramento Aero Services, Inc.
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, April 6, 1985, 20 hours before
- Departed: Q96, SACRAMENTO, CA
- Destination: 2Q3, DAVIS, CA
- Airport: 2Q3, Yolo County, runway 16, 6,000 × 100 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 54; airline transport, flight instructor; airplane ratings: multi-engine land, single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: front; flight hours: 5,600 total, 187 in this make and model, 5,290 as pilot in command, 211 in the last 90 days, 1 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 180° at 2 knots
- Visibility: 25 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 84 °F

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19850702028999A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19850702028999A), Jul 2, 1985: Meyers OTW, Winters, CA, Substantial damage. Nosed over during rollout. Aircraft started to turn and CFI applied brakes and noseover followed.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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