# NTSB LAX86FA025: Cessna 182P, N7371S, Sacramento, CA, October 25, 1985 - Type: NTSB accident investigation - Classification: Accident · No injuries · Field investigation · Final report - Date: October 25, 1985, 14:41 local (21:41 UTC) - Place: Sacramento, CA - Coordinates: 38.579681, -121.489875 (estimated) - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=38.5797&lon=-121.4899&mi=10 - Phase of flight: [Enroute](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/400) (OpenAirDocs' grouping) - Highest injury: No injuries - Injuries: 3 uninjured - Status: Completed - Report: Approved by Office Director - NTSB case key (mKey): 24878 - NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX86FA025 - NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/24878/pdf - Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX86FA025 ## Sequence of events In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf). - Midair collision, cruise - normal - visual lookout - not maintained, pilot in command (cause) - visual lookout - not maintained, pilot of other aircraft (cause) - clearance - not maintained, pilot in command (cause) - Midair collision, cruise - normal - visual lookout - not maintained, copilot/second pilot (cause) - visual lookout - not maintained, pilot of other aircraft (cause) - clearance - not maintained, copilot/second pilot (cause) - clearance - not maintained, pilot of other aircraft (cause) ## Analysis (aircraft 2) AS THE CESSNA 182P PILOT FLEW THROUGH A CONTROL ZONE WITHOUT ESTABLISHING COMMUNICATIONS AT AN ALTITUDE OF 3,500 FT, A PIPER PA28 WAS BEGINNING ITS APPROACH FOR LANDING. THE PIPER'S PILOT WAS PRACTICING INSTRUMENT FLIGHT USING A HOOD AND A SAFETY PILOT. THE PIPER WAS UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE LOCAL TRACON FACILITY AND CLEARED TO DESCEND OUT OF 5,500 FEET TO 2,600 FOR SEQUENCING. ONE MINUTE AFTER THE PIPER BEGAN ITS DESCENT THE SAFETY PILOT REPORTED THAT THEY HAD COLLIDED WITH ANOTHER ACFT. ## Analysis (aircraft 1) AS THE CESSNA 182P PILOT FLEW THROUGH A CONTROL ZONE WITHOUT ESTABLISHING COMMUNICATIONS AT AN ALTITUDE OF 3,500 FT, A PIPER PA28 WAS BEGINNING ITS APPROACH FOR LANDING. THE PIPER'S PILOT WAS PRACTICING INSTRUMENT FLIGHT USING A HOOD AND A SAFETY PILOT. THE PIPER WAS UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE LOCAL TRACON FACILITY AND CLEARED TO DESCEND OUT OF 5,500 FEET TO 2,600 FOR SEQUENCING. ONE MINUTE AFTER THE PIPER BEGAN ITS DESCENT THE SAFETY PILOT REPORTED THAT THEY HAD COLLIDED WITH AN OTHER ACFT. ## Aircraft 1 - Registration: [N7371S](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N7371S), registered now, S/N 18265162, built 1976 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: CESSNA 182P - Registry model: [Cessna 182P](https://openairdocs.org/model/cessna-182p) (registry code 2075816) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: [Continental O-470 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/continental-o-470-series) (registry code 17026, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 18265162 - Airframe hours: 1620 - Engines: CONTINENTAL O470S 230 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Business, Part 91 - Operator: Tel-Accounts, Inc. - Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal - Last inspection: Annual, December 4, 1984 - Departed: CA35, SAN RAFAEL, CA - Destination: 061, CAMERON PARK, CA ## Aircraft 2 - Registration: [N43091](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N43091), registered now, S/N 28-8390076, built 1983 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: PIPER PA-28-181 - Registry model: [Piper PA-28-181](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-181) (registry code 7102807) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: [Lycoming O&VO-360 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-o-vo-360-series) (registry code 41514, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 288390076 - Airframe hours: 2038 - Engines: LYCOMING O360A4M 180 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Personal, Part 91 - Operator: Pacific Piper - Registered owner: Edward A. Carcot - Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal - Last inspection: Annual, October 17, 1985, 38 hours before - Departed: SJC, SAN JOSE, CA - Destination: SAC, SACRAMENTO, CA ## Flight crew As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names. - Pilot, aircraft N7371S; age 53; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: left; flight hours: 1,720 total, 24 in this make and model, 1,600 as pilot in command, 26 in the last 90 days, 1 in the last 24 hours - Pilot, aircraft N43091; age 48; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 3, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; flight hours: 722 total, 193 in this make and model, 620 as pilot in command, 11 in the last 90 days, 1 in the last 24 hours ## Weather - Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day - Wind: 320° at 9 knots - Visibility: 15 statute miles - Lowest ceiling: none - Temperature: 75 °F, dew point 52 °F - Altimeter: 30.00 inHg - Observed at: SAC, 5 nm away ## FAA reports on this event (2) The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs). - [Accident 19851025054112A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19851025054112A), Oct 25, 1985: Cessna 182P, Sacramento, CA, Substantial damage. Struck by descending N43091 propeller and wingtip. Aircraft was in control zone without radio contact. - [Accident 19851025054111A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19851025054111A), Oct 25, 1985: Piper PA28181, Sacramento, CA, Substantial damage. During descent for practice approach,propeller struck 737S wing and fuselage. Pilot using vision restriction device. From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. --- OpenAirDocs.org is an independent research project of [Contrail Labs](https://contraillabs.com/). It is not affiliated with the FAA or the NTSB. Source documents are U.S. government works in the public domain.