# NTSB LAX88LA003: Grumman AA-5A, N7368L, Big Bear City, CA, October 4, 1987

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: October 4, 1987, 10:00 local (17:00 UTC)
- Place: Big Bear City, CA
- Coordinates: 34.25967, -116.840293 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=34.2597&lon=-116.8403&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 1 uninjured
- Status: Completed, report November 8, 1988
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 25877
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=LAX88LA003
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/25877/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/LAX88LA003

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - on ground/water, landing - roll
  - weather condition - tailwind (contributing factor)
  - radio communications - inadvertent deactivation, pilot in command (contributing factor)
  - wind information - not obtained, pilot in command (contributing factor)
  - recovery from bounced landing - improper, pilot in command (cause)
- On ground/water collision with object, landing - roll
  - object - runway light (contributing factor)
  - object - sign (contributing factor)

## Analysis

THE STUDENT PILOT BOUNCED DURING LANDING AND COLLIDED WITH RUNWAY LIGHTS AND A TAXIWAY SIGN. HE LANDED ON RUNWAY 25 WITH WINDS REPORTED 040 DEGREES AT 8 KNOTS. HE SAID HE COULD NOT RECEIVE WIND INFORMATION BECAUSE HE HAD INADVERTANTLY TURNED OFF HIS RADIO.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N7368L](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N7368L), registered now, S/N AA5-0268, built 1972 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: GRUMMAN AA-5A
- Registry model: [Grumman American Avn. AA-5](https://openairdocs.org/model/grumman-american-avn-aa-5) (registry code 3960104) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (registry code 41508, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: AA-50268
- Airframe hours: 4327
- Engines: LYCOMING O-320-E 150 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Operator: Paragon Air Escourt
- Registered owner: Danny A. Coindre
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: 100 hour, April 11, 1987
- Departed: APV, APPLE VALLEY, CA
- Airport: L35, Big Bear City, runway 25, 5,850 × 75 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 49; student; medical: class 1, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; flight hours: 21 total, 21 in this make and model, 21 in the last 90 days

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 40° at 8 knots
- Visibility: 50 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 68 °F

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19871004058519A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19871004058519A), Oct 4, 1987: Gulstm AA5, Big Bear, CA, Substantial damage. The aircraft porpoised on landing, hitting taxiway lights. Student landed downwind.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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