# NTSB MIA02LA017: Piper PA-24-250, N8183P, Peachtree City, GA, November 16, 2001 - Type: NTSB accident investigation - Classification: Accident · Minor injuries · Limited investigation · Final report - Date: November 16, 2001, 18:08 local (23:08 UTC) - Place: Peachtree City, GA - Coordinates: 33.356945, -84.572219 - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=33.3569&lon=-84.5722&mi=10 - Phase of flight: [Enroute](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/400) (OpenAirDocs' grouping) - Highest injury: Minor injuries - Injuries: 1 minor - Status: Completed, report July 25, 2002 - Report: Approved by Office Director - Parties: FAA FSDO, NTSB - NTSB case key (mKey): 53789 - NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=MIA02LA017 - NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/53789/pdf - Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/MIA02LA017 ## Probable cause The pilot’s attempted operation of the aircraft with known deficiencies in the engine ignition system resulting in failure of the engine due to ignition system failure and damage to the airplane during the subsequent forced landing. ## Sequence of events In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf). - Loss of engine power, cruise - maintenance,adjustment - improper, pilot in command - ignition system,magneto - failure,partial - operation with known deficiencies in equipment - attempted, pilot in command (cause) - ignition system - failure,total - Forced landing, emergency descent/landing - On ground/water encounter with terrain/water, landing - flare/touchdown - terrain condition - ditch ## Analysis The pilot stated that on November 16, 2001, he prepared to depart from his home airport, McCollum Field. As he performed an engine runup, he found the left magneto was not operating. He returned to the ramp and his mechanic disconnected and then reconnected the magneto "P" leads. The left magneto began to work. He departed McCollum Field and went to Peachtree City. He then flew to Tara Field, at Hampton, Georgia. When leaving Tara Field, he found that the left magneto was again inoperative. He called his mechanic and was told to disconnect the "P" leads and fly home. With the "P" leads disconnected, he could not check the magnetos. During takeoff, the engine appeared to develop full power. The EGT was normal. About 5 minutes after departure, the EGT pegged out high and one of the magnetos appeared to have quit. About a minute later, the engine quit. Atlanta Approach gave him radar vectors to the closest airport, Peachtree City. He could not make it to the airport and landed in a field with the gear down and full wing flaps extended. During rollout in the field, the airplane collided with a drainage ditch. The landing gear collapsed and the airplane slid to a stop. The magnetos had been overhauled by a local mechanic about 100 flight hours before the accident. During examination prior to running the engine after the accident, the "P" lead was disconnected from the right magneto and the spark retard lead was disconnected from the left magneto. The leads were reconnected and the engine was started. Only the right magneto was operating. The engine was operated to 1,500 RPM with a club propeller in the feathered position. The was no evidence of mechanical failure or malfunction of the engine assembly.The magnetos were tested at the manufacturers facilities. The left magneto condenser was inoperative causing the magneto to not operate. The right magneto operated normally. Manufacturer personnel stated that with one magneto inoperative, the exhaust gas temperature will become elevated due inefficient burning in the cylinder which carries over into the exhaust area. When you remove the "P" lead on these magnetos, they actually ground internally and become inoperative. Sometimes contamination prevents them from grounding immediately when the "P" lead is removed, but they eventually ground and become inoperative. He believes that with the spark retard disconnected on the left magneto and the "P" lead disconnected on the right magneto, that the left and right magnetos operated for takeoff due to the condenser working at this time on the left magneto and that the "P" lead internal grounding had contamination that prevented it from grounding immediately after removal of the "P" lead. Takeoff was normal at full power due to both magnetos working. Then either the left magneto quit due the condenser failing or the right quit due to it becoming internally grounded. The exhaust gas temperature went high and a small loss of power could be noted. Then the second magneto quit resulting in failure of the engine. ## Factual narrative On November 16, 2001, about 1808 eastern standard time, a Piper PA-24-250, N8183P, registered to an individual, collided with a ditch while making a forced landing following loss of engine power near Peachtree City, Georgia, while on a 14 CFR Part 91 business flight. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time and no flight plan was filed. The airplane received substantial damage, and the commercial-rated pilot received minor injuries. The flight originated from Hampton, Georgia, the same day, about 1750. The pilot stated that on November 16, 2001, he prepared to depart from his home airport, McCollum Field. As he performed an engine runup, he found the left magneto was not operating. He returned to the ramp and his mechanic disconnected and then reconnected the magneto "P" leads. The left magneto began to work. He departed McCollum Field and went to Peachtree City. He then flew to Tara Field, at Hampton, Georgia. When leaving Tara Field, he found that the left magneto was again inoperative. He called his mechanic and was told to disconnect the "P" leads and fly home. With the "P" leads disconnected, he could not check the magnetos. During takeoff, the engine appeared to develop full power. The EGT was normal. About 5 minutes after departure, the EGT pegged out high and one of the magnetos appeared to have quit. About a minute later, the engine quit. Atlanta Approach gave him radar vectors to the closest airport, Peachtree City. He could not make it to the airport and landed in a field with the gear down and full wing flaps extended. During rollout in the field, the airplane collided with a drainage ditch. The landing gear collapsed and the airplane slid to a stop. The magnetos had been overhauled by a local mechanic about 100 flight hours before the accident. (See record of telephone conversation.) A mechanic for the company that recovered the airplane from the crash site stated he was present when the engine of N8183P was run on the airplane after the accident. The FAA and NTSB were present. During examination prior to running the engine, the "P" lead was disconnected from one magneto and the spark retard lead was disconnected from the other magneto. They reconnected the leads and the engine was started. Only one magneto was operating. The engine was operated to 1,500 RPM with a club propeller in the feathered position. The was no evidence of mechanical failure or malfunction of the engine assembly. The magnetos were taken by the NTSB for further testing. (See record of telephone conversation.) A engineer at Teledyne Continental Motors, the magneto manufacturer, stated he examined the magnetos from N8183P with an NTSB investigator. The left magneto has a "P" lead and a spark retard lead, which is used for starting. The right magneto did not have the spark retard lead, only a "P" lead. The left magneto condenser was inoperative causing the magneto to not operate. The right magneto operated normally. With one magneto inoperative, the exhaust gas temperature will become elevated due inefficient burning in the cylinder which carries over into the exhaust area. When you remove the "P" lead on these magnetos, they actually ground internally and become inoperative. Sometimes contamination prevents them from grounding immediately when the "P" lead is removed, but they eventually ground and become inoperative. He believes that with the spark retard disconnected on the left magneto and the "P" lead disconnected on the right magneto, that the left and right magnetos operated for takeoff due to the condenser working at this time on the left magneto and that the "P" lead internal grounding had contamination that prevented it from grounding immediately after removal of the "P" lead. Takeoff was normal at full power due to both magnetos working. Then either the left magneto quit due the condenser failing or the right quit due to it becoming internally grounded. The exhaust gas temperature went high and a small loss of power could be noted. Then the second magneto quit resulting in failure of the engine. ## Aircraft - Registration: [N8183P](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8183P-2002-07-18), registration cancelled 2002-07-18, S/N 24-3438, built 1963 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: Piper PA-24-250 - Registry model: [Piper PA-24-250](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-24-250) (registry code 7102404) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-540 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-540-series) (registry code 41532, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 24-3438 - Airframe hours: 2520 - Engines: Lycoming O-540-A1D5 250 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Business, Part 91 - Registered owner: Robert W. Fulton - Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal - Last inspection: Annual, November 9, 2000, 122 hours before - Departed: 4A7, Hampton, GA - Destination: RYY, Marietta, GA ## Flight crew As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names. - Pilot; age 63; injuries: minor; commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 3, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; last flight review June 17, 2001; seat: left; flight hours: 2,709 total, 257 in this make and model, 2,685 as pilot in command, 30 in the last 90 days, 18 in the last 30 days, 1 in the last 24 hours ## Weather - Conditions: Visual (VMC), Dusk - Visibility: 8 statute miles - Lowest ceiling: none - Temperature: 54 °F, dew point 37 °F - Altimeter: 30.20 inHg - Observed at: FFC, 2 nm away ## FAA reports on this event (1) The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs). - [Accident 20011116035199A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20011116035199A), Nov 16, 2001: Piper PA24250, Peachtree City, GA, No damage. (-23) Pilot stated that he had experienced magneto problems on two run-ups on the same day of the flight that ended in the subject accident. See attached… ## Other investigations on N8183P (3) From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. - [NTSB CHI71DLQ19](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/CHI71DLQ19), Dec 19, 1970: Piper PA-24 (N8183P), Frankfort, KY, substantial damage - [NTSB UNK65X0832](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/UNK65X0832), Nov 25, 1964: Piper PA24 (N8183P), Hillsdale, MI, substantial damage - [NTSB UNK64X1246](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/UNK64X1246), Apr 10, 1964: Piper PA24 (N8183P), Hinsdale, IL, substantial damage From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. 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