# NTSB MIA08CA067: Waco CTO, N845V, Venice, FL, February 25, 2008

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · Minor injuries · Data collection · Final report
- Date: February 25, 2008, 13:50 local (18:50 UTC)
- Place: Venice, FL
- Coordinates: 27.069444, -82.4375
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=27.0694&lon=-82.4375&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Defining event: [Landing-landing roll: Nose over/nose down](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/096)
- Highest injury: Minor injuries
- Injuries: 1 minor
- Status: Completed, report March 31, 2008
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- Parties: Orlando FSDO-15
- NTSB case key (mKey): 67584
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=MIA08CA067
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/67584/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/MIA08CA067

## Probable cause

The pilot's improper use of brakes during the landing roll.

## Findings

NTSB's coded findings; those marked are part of the probable cause.

- [Landing gear system: brake](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01023242): Aircraft › Aircraft systems · Incorrect use/operation (probable cause); cases with it: [Waco CTO, 1 case](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01023242/cases.md?model=9601214), [All aircraft, 297 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-findings/01023242/cases.md)

## Sequence of events

The events NTSB coded, in order, by phase of flight. The defining event best describes what happened.

- [Landing-landing roll: Nose over/nose down](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/096) (defining event); cases with it: [Waco CTO, 1 case](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/096/sequence.md?model=9601214), [All aircraft, 2,287 cases](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-events/096/sequence.md)

## Analysis

The pilot stated that during the landing roll he probably braked excessively, which caused the airplane to nose over. Examination by an FAA inspector revealed that no mechanical anomalies were found with the airplane. The vertical stabilizer was buckled as a result of the nose over.

## Factual narrative

The pilot stated that during the landing roll he probably braked excessively, which caused the airplane to nose over. Examination by an FAA inspector revealed that no mechanical anomalies were found with the airplane. The vertical stabilizer was buckled as a result of the nose over.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N845V](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N845V), registered now, S/N 3225, built 1930 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: Waco CTO
- Registry model: [Waco CTO](https://openairdocs.org/model/waco-cto) (registry code 9601214) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Wright 760A B D E&ET](https://openairdocs.org/engine/wright-760a-b-d-e-et) (registry code 67009, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 3225
- Airframe hours: 4027
- Engines: Wright 760A 130 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Operator: Ralph G. Gorenstien
- Registered owner: Bell Aviation incorporated
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Aerobatic
- Last inspection: Annual, July 1, 2007, 0 hours before
- Departed: VNC, VENICE, FL
- Destination: VNC, VENICE, FL
- Airport: VNC, Venice Muni, runway 22, 5,000 × 150 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 67; injuries: none; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, with waivers/limitations; last flight review June 1, 2007; seat: front; flight hours: 2,000 total, 10 in this make and model, 2,000 as pilot in command, 50 in the last 90 days, 20 in the last 30 days, 1 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 270° at 7 knots
- Visibility: 10 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 75 °F, dew point 64 °F
- Altimeter: 30.03 inHg
- Observed at: SRQ, 25 nm away

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 20080225836359A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/20080225836359A), Feb 25, 2008: Waco CTO, Venice, FL, Substantial damage. (-23) Pilot is not cooperating with the NTSB or FAA regarding the accident. Preliminary investigations indicates that pilot lost control of airplane during…

## Other investigations on N845V (1)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB SEA70DWD22](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/SEA70DWD22), May 14, 1970: Waco CTO (N845V), Mt.Vernon, WA, substantial damage

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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