# NTSB MKC83LA004: Piper PA-28-140B, N8836N, Emporia, KS, October 6, 1982 - Type: NTSB accident investigation - Classification: Accident · Minor injuries · Limited investigation · Final report - Date: October 5, 1982, 19:25 local (Oct 6, 1982, 00:25 UTC) - Place: Emporia, KS - Coordinates: 38.409721, -96.189842 (estimated) - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=38.4097&lon=-96.1898&mi=10 - Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping) - Highest injury: Minor injuries - Injuries: 1 minor, 2 uninjured - Status: Completed, report October 5, 1983 - Report: Approved by Office Director - NTSB case key (mKey): 70592 - NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=MKC83LA004 - NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/70592/pdf - Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/MKC83LA004 ## Sequence of events In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf). - On ground/water collision with object, landing - roll - light condition - dusk (contributing factor) - visual lookout - inadequate, pilot in command (cause) - lack of total experience, pilot in command - On ground/water collision with object, standing - light condition - dusk (contributing factor) - visual lookout - inadequate, pilot of other aircraft (cause) - lack of total experience, pilot of other aircraft ## Analysis (aircraft 2) THE INSTRUCTOR PILOT (IP) AND A STUDENT WERE PRACTICING STOP-AND-GO LANDINGS IN A CESSNA 152, N89585, AT AN UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT. THE IP REPORTED THAT THEY WERE MONITORING THE UNICOM FREQUENCY AND HAD ANNOUNCED THEIR INTENTIONS BEFORE EACH STOP-AND-GO. THE IP OBSERVED ANOTHER AIRCRAFT, PIPER PA-28, N8836N, IN THE PATTERN. AFTER MAKING SEVERAL TOUCH-AND-GO LANDINGS, THE PILOT OF THE PIPER PA-28 (A STUDENT PILOT) DEPARTED THE PATTERN FOR A SHORT TIME. THE IP IN THE CESSNA 152 SAW THE PIPER PA-28 REENTER THE TRAFFIC PATTERN AND ADVISED THE PIPER THAT HIS ROTATING BEACON WAS NOT WORKING. AFTER AGAIN ANNOUNCING THEIR INTENTIONS, THE CESSNA AIRCREW STOPPED ABOUT 1200 TO 1300 FT FROM THE APPROACH END OF THE RUNWAY. WHILE THE CESSNA WAS BEING RECONFIGURED FOR TAKEOFF, IT WAS STRUCK FROM BEHIND BY THE PIPER. THE STUDENT IN THE PIPER REPORTED HE DID NOT REALIZE THE CESSNA WOULD STOP ON THE RUNWAY. HE DID NOT SEE IT STOPPED ON THE RUNWAY UNTIL AFTER TOUCHDOWN. THE PIPER'S RIGHT WING HIT THE CESSNA'S TAIL. ## Analysis (aircraft 1) THE STUDENT PILOT WAS FLYING A PIPER PA-28, N8836N. AFTER TAKING OFF FROM AN UNCONTROLLED AIRPORT, HE MADE 3 OR 4 TOUCH-AND-GO LANDINGS, THEN DEPARTED THE TRAFFIC PATTERN FOR A SHORT TIME. WHEN HE REENTERED THE TRAFFIC PATTERN, HE MONITORED THE UNICOM FREQUENCY AND REPORTED HIS POSITION IN THE PATTERN. HE HEARD THE AIRCREW OF A CESSNA 152, N89585, CALL FOR A STOP-AND-GO. THE STUDENT STATED THAT HE DID NOT REALIZE THE OTHER AIRCRAFT WOULD COME TO A FULL STOP ON THE RUNWAY. THE STUDENT REPORTED THAT AS HE CONTINUED THE LANDING, HE WAS CONCENTRATING ON THE END OF THE RUNWAY AND ON TOUCHING DOWN PROPERLY. HE DID NOT SEE THE CESSNA STOPPED ON THE RUNWAY UNTIL AFTER TOUCHDOWN. HE TURNED TO AVOID A COLLISION, BUT HIS RIGHT WING HIT THE TAIL OF THE CESSNA. THE INSTRUCTOR PILOT IN THE CESSNA STATED THAT HE AND HIS STUDENT HAD COME TO A STOP ABOUT 1200 TO 1300 FT FROM THE APPROACH END OF THE RUNWAY. THEY WERE RECONFIGURING THE CESSNA FOR TAKEOFF WHEN THE COLLISION OCCURRED. ## Aircraft 1 - Registration: [N8836N](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8836N-2011-07-22), registration cancelled 2011-07-22, S/N 28-25687, built 1969 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: PIPER PA-28-140B - Registry model: [Piper PA-28-140](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-28-140) (registry code 7102802) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-320 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-320-series) (registry code 41508, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 28-25687 - Airframe hours: 6236 - Engines: LYCOMING O-320-E2A 140 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Instructional, Part 91 - Operator: Alton & Scott B. Hoover - Registered owner: Alton & Scott B. Hoover - Departed: EMP, EMPORIA, KS - Destination: EMP, EMPORIA, KS - Airport: EMP, Emporia Municipal, runway 18, 4,950 × 100 ft, asphalt ## Aircraft 2 - Registration: [N89585](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N89585), registered now, S/N 15282796, built 1978 (OpenAirDocs) - Reported make and model: CESSNA 152 - Registry model: [Cessna 152](https://openairdocs.org/model/cessna-152) (registry code 2071835) (OpenAirDocs) - Registry engine: [Lycoming 0-235 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-0-235-series) (registry code 41505, 4 cycle) (OpenAirDocs) - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 15282796 - Airframe hours: 1575 - Engines: LYCOMING O-235-L2C 112 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Substantial damage - Flight: Instructional, Part 91 - Operator: Emporia Aviation - Registered owner: Emporia Aviation - Departed: EMP, EMPORIA, KS - Destination: EMP, EMPORIA, KS - Airport: EMP, Emporia Municipal, runway 18, 4,950 × 100 ft, asphalt ## Flight crew As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names. - Pilot, aircraft N8836N; age 26; student; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; flight hours: 44 total, 44 in this make and model, 19 as pilot in command, 26 in the last 90 days, 14 in the last 30 days - Pilot, aircraft N89585; age 36; commercial, flight instructor; airplane ratings: single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; flight hours: 1,486 total, 765 in this make and model, 1,354 as pilot in command, 177 in the last 90 days, 50 in the last 30 days, 2 in the last 24 hours ## Weather - Conditions: Visual (VMC), Dusk - Wind: 160° at 10 knots - Visibility: 7 statute miles - Lowest ceiling: 25,000 ft broken - Temperature: 174 °F - Altimeter: 29.00 inHg - Observed at: EMP ## FAA reports on this event (2) The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs). - [Accident 19821005054821A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19821005054821A), Oct 5, 1982: Piper PA28140, Emporia, KS, Substantial damage. After landing student ran into rear of stop and go aircraft N89585 that was on the runway. Misunderstood stop and go - [Accident 19821005054822A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19821005054822A), Oct 5, 1982: Cessna 152, Emporia, KS, Substantial damage. Was struck by a landing aircraft N8836N while stopped on the runway for a stop and go landing. Had given intentions. From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. --- OpenAirDocs.org is an independent research project of [Contrail Labs](https://contraillabs.com/). It is not affiliated with the FAA or the NTSB. Source documents are U.S. government works in the public domain.