# NTSB NYC83LA163: Piper J3C-65, N19AN, Argyle, NY, June 12, 1983

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: June 12, 1983, 19:25 local (23:25 UTC)
- Place: Argyle, NY
- Coordinates: 43.230274, -73.490104 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=43.2303&lon=-73.4901&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Other](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/800) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 35219
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC83LA163
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/35219/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC83LA163

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- On ground/water encounter with terrain/water, other
  - proper assistance - not obtained, pilot in command (cause)
  - terrain condition - rough/uneven (contributing factor)

## Analysis

THE PLT ATTEMPTED TO START THE ENG BY HAND PROPPING FOR APRX 20 MIN. THE ENG FINALLY STARTED & CONTINUED TO REV UP. DURING THIS TIME, THE PASSENGER WAS IN THE REAR SEAT. AS THE PLT WAS RETURNING TO THE COCKPIT, THE ACFT BEGAN TO ROLL FORWARD. THE PLT WAS KNOCKED DOWN BY THE WING STRUT & THE ACFT CONTINUED IN A WIDE SEMI-CIRCLE. REPORTEDLY, THE PASSENGER WAS APPLYING BRAKE PRESSURE, BUT COULD NOT STOP THE ACFT. SUBSEQUENTLY, THE ACFT WENT OFF A 15 FT EMBANKMENT OF A GRAVEL PIT. IT IMPACTED NOSE FIRST IN THE PIT, THEN CAME TO REST AGAINST THE OPPOSITE EMBANKMENT.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N19AN](https://openairdocs.org/aircraft/N19AN), registered now, S/N 4045, built 1939 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER J3C-65
- Registry model: [Piper J3C-65](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-j3c-65) (registry code 7100510) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Continental C85 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/continental-c85-series) (registry code 17008, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 4045
- Airframe hours: 5545
- Engines: CONTINENTAL C-65 65 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Operator: Frederick Troelstra
- Registered owner: Argyle Flying Club
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Unknown, November 27, 1982
- Airport: NY02, Argyle

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 22; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; flight hours: 82 total, 18 in this make and model, 53 as pilot in command, 4 in the last 90 days, 1 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: calm
- Visibility: 25 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 75 °F

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19830612036989A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19830612036989A), Jun 12, 1983: Piper J3C65, Arglye, NY, Substantial damage. Pilot started engine by hand propping. Passenger at controls unable to stop aircraft. Ran over an embankment.

## Other investigations on N19AN (2)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB NYC85FNC01](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC85FNC01), Nov 25, 1984: Piper J-3 (N19AN), Rutland, VT, destroyed
- [NTSB NYC72FFH42](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC72FFH42), May 13, 1972: Piper J-3 (N19AN), New Salem, NY, substantial damage

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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