# NTSB NYC83LA216: Stinson 108-1, N8470K, Tully, NY, August 18, 1983

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: August 18, 1983, 03:00 local (07:00 UTC)
- Place: Tully, NY
- Coordinates: 42.789672, -76.100967 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=42.7897&lon=-76.1010&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Enroute](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/400) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 3 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 35254
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC83LA216
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/35254/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC83LA216

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- In flight encounter with weather, cruise - normal
  - weather condition - thunderstorm (contributing factor)
  - weather condition - haze/smoke (contributing factor)
  - weather condition - lightning (contributing factor)
  - weather condition - low ceiling (contributing factor)
  - weather condition - turbulence(thunderstorms) (contributing factor)
  - flight into known adverse weather - continued, pilot in command (cause)
- In flight collision with terrain/water, maneuvering
  - light condition - dark night (contributing factor)
  - terrain condition - mountainous/hilly (contributing factor)
  - in-flight planning/decision - improper, pilot in command (cause)

## Analysis

AT 2,000 FT NEAR SYRACUSE THE PLT DECIDED HE HAD ENOUGH FUEL TO CONTINUE ON TO HIS HOME BASE AT CORTLAND. HE ADDED FULL POWER TO CLIMB BACK TO 3,000 FT & ENCOUNTERED TURBULENCE. WITH FULL POWER & 80 KTS INDICATED THE ACFT WAS LOSING ALTITUDE. THE ACFT COLLIDED WITH TREES ON A RIDGE LINE. THE SYRACUSE 0250 WX OBSERVATION INDICATED THUNDERSTORMS WEST OFSYRACUSE MOVING EAST. THE 0307 SPECIAL OBSERVATION INDICATED A VISIBILITY OF 2 MI IN HEAVY THUNDERSHOWERS.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N8470K](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N8470K-2013-03-20), registration cancelled 2013-03-20, S/N 108-1470, built 1946 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: STINSON 108-1
- Registry model: [Stinson 108-1](https://openairdocs.org/model/stinson-108-1) (registry code 9230404) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Franklin 6A4150 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/franklin-6a4150-series) (registry code 27024, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 10611C
- Airframe hours: 1500
- Engines: FRANKLIN 06 150 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Destroyed
- Fire: On-Ground
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Registered owner: David P. Cummins
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, December 1, 1982, 0 hours before
- Departed: PORT HURON, MI
- Destination: SYR, SYRACUSE, NY

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 40; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; flight hours: 400 total, 85 in this make and model, 253 as pilot in command, 58 in the last 90 days, 13 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Night/dark
- Wind: 240° at 9 knots
- Visibility: 2 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: 2,800 ft overcast
- Temperature: 68 °F
- Altimeter: 29.00 inHg

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19830818042979A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19830818042979A), Aug 18, 1983: Univar 1081, Tully, NY, Destroyed. Aircraft would not outclimb downdraft turbulence and crashed into ridge while trying to climb. Thunderstorm in area

## Other investigations on N8470K (2)

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

- [NTSB DEN99LA050](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/DEN99LA050), Mar 8, 1999: Stinson 108-1 (N8470K), Santa Rosa, NM, substantial damage. Probable cause: The unfavorable wind gust which inverted the airplane while taxiing.
- [NTSB MIA72FLD41](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/MIA72FLD41), Dec 24, 1971: Stinson 108-1 (N8470K), Oklawaha, FL, substantial damage

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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