# NTSB NYC84FA038: Cessna 172P, N96268, Silver Greek, NY, November 27, 1983 - Type: NTSB accident investigation - Classification: Accident · Fatal · Field investigation · Final report - Date: November 27, 1983, 15:20 local (20:20 UTC) - Place: Silver Greek, NY - Coordinates: 42.539863, -79.159179 (estimated) - Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=42.5399&lon=-79.1592&mi=10 - Phase of flight: [Enroute](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/400) (OpenAirDocs' grouping) - Highest injury: Fatal - Injuries: 4 fatal - Status: Completed - Report: Approved by Office Director - NTSB case key (mKey): 35297 - NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC84FA038 - NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/35297/pdf - Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC84FA038 ## Sequence of events In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf). - Midair collision, cruise - normal - visual lookout - inadequate, pilot in command (cause) - visual lookout - inadequate, pilot of other aircraft (cause) - Loss of control - in flight, cruise - normal - In flight collision with terrain/water, descent - uncontrolled - Midair collision, approach - faf/outer marker to threshold (ifr) - ifr procedure - simulated, pilot in command (cause) - visual lookout - inadequate, other crewmember (cause) - visual lookout - inadequate, pilot of other aircraft (cause) - Airframe/component/system failure/malfunction, cruise - normal - wing - separation (contributing factor) - In flight collision with terrain/water, descent - uncontrolled ## Analysis (aircraft 2) THE TWO ACFT WERE INVOLVED IN A MIDAIR COLLISION NEAR SILVER CREEK, NY. THE PLT OF N4089P WAS FLYING IN THE LEFT SEAT & USING AN INSTRUMENT HOOD WITH A SAFETY PLT IN THE RIGHT SEAT. THE PLT OF THE OTHER ACFT WAS ON A PLEASURE FLT WITH HIS DAUGHTER. BOTH ACFT CAME TO REST ABOUT 400 YARDS APART ON THE GROUND. N4089P & N96268 COLLIDED ABOUT 4.6 MI NORTH- EAST OF THE DUNKIRK ARPT (UNCONTROLLED), WHILE PROCEEDING INBOUND TOWART THE ARPT. WITNESSES SAW THE TWO ACFT CONVERGE &COLLIDE. THE PIPER CROSSED UNDER THE CESSNA AT ABOUT 2000 FT MSL (1400 FT AGL). THE CESSNA LOST ABOUT 2 FT OF ITS RIGHT WING AND THE PIPER LOST THE LEFT WING OUTBOARD OF THE NACELLE AND ITS VERTICAL FIN AND RUDDER. THERE WERE NO KNOWN RADIOCALLS FROM EITHER ACFT BEFORE, DURING OR AFTER THE COLLISION. OTHER PLTS DESCRIBED THE VISIBILITY AS GOOD WITH AN OVERCAST SKY AND NO SUNGLARE. BOTH ACFT CRASHED OUT OF CONTROL IN WOODED AREAS. ## Analysis (aircraft 1) THE TWO ACFT WERE INVOLVED IN A MIDAIR COLLISION NEAR SILVER CREEK, NY. THE PLT OF N4089P WAS FLYING IN THE LEFT SEAT & USING AN INSTRUMENT HOOD WITH A SAFETY PLT IN THE RIGHT SEAT. THE PLT OF THE OTHER ACFT WAS ON A PLEASURE FLT WITH HIS DAUGHTER. BOTH ACFT CAME TO REST ABOUT 400 YARDS APART ON THE GROUND. N4089P & N96268 COLLIDED ABOUT 4.6 MI NORTH- EAST OF THE DUNKIRK ARPT (UNCONTROLLED), WHILE PROCEEDING INBOUND TOWARD THE ARPT. WITNESSES SAW THE TWO ACFT CONVERGE &COLLIDE. THE PIPER CROSSED UNDER THE CESSNA AT ABOUT 2000 FT MSL (1400 FT AGL). THE CESSNA LOST ABOUT 2 FT OF ITS RIGHT WING AND THE PIPER LOST THE LEFT WING OUTBOARD OF THE NACELLE AND ITS VERTICAL FIN AND RUDDER. THERE WERE NO KNOWN RADIOCALLS FROM EITHER ACFT BEFORE, DURING OR AFTER THE COLLISION. OTHER PLTS DESCRIBED THE VISIBILITY AS GOOD WITH AN OVERCAST SKY AND NO SUNCLARE. BOTH ACFT CRASHED OUT OF CONTROL IN WOODED AREAS. ## Aircraft 1 - Registration: N96268 (not matched to a registry record) - Reported make and model: CESSNA 172P - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 17276048 - Airframe hours: 220 - Engines: LYCOMING O-320-D2J 160 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Destroyed - Flight: Personal, Part 91 - Operator: Buffalo Airpark - Registered owner: Skymasters, Inc. - Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal - Last inspection: 100 hour, November 18, 1983, 50 hours before - Departed: BAP, BUFFALO, NY - Airport: DKK, Dunkirk ## Aircraft 2 - Registration: N4089P (not matched to a registry record) - Reported make and model: PIPER PA-23-160 - Category: Airplane - Serial number: 23-1568 - Airframe hours: 3560 - Engines: LYCOMING O-320-B3B 160 horsepower reciprocating - Damage: Destroyed - Flight: Personal, Part 91 - Registered owner: Robert E. Storms - Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal - Last inspection: Annual, December 14, 1982, 63 hours before - Departed: JHW, JAMESTOWN, NY - Destination: DKK, DUNKIRK, NY - Airport: DKK, Dunkirk, runway 24, 5,000 × 100 ft, asphalt ## Flight crew As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names. - Pilot, aircraft N96268; age 45; private; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; toxicology performed; flight hours: 70 total, 5 in this make and model, 15 as pilot in command, 24 in the last 90 days - Pilot, aircraft N4089P; age 69; commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land, multi-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 3, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; toxicology performed; flight hours: 3,550 total, 900 in this make and model, 3,490 as pilot in command ## Weather - Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day - Wind: 50° at 6 knots - Visibility: 25 statute miles - Lowest ceiling: 25,000 ft overcast - Temperature: 39 °F, dew point 19 °F - Altimeter: 30.00 inHg - Observed at: BUF, 32 nm away ## FAA reports on this event (2) The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs). - [Accident 19831127058702A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19831127058702A), Nov 27, 1983: Cessna 172P, Silver Creek, NY, Destroyed, 1 fatal. Was overtaken and struck by apache N4089P that was descending toward VOR with pilot under an IFR hood. Both crashed - [Accident 19831127058701A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19831127058701A), Nov 27, 1983: Piper PA23160, Silver Creek, NY, Destroyed. During descent to VOR converged and struck the wing of a 172 N96268 causing both to crash. Pilot under IFR hood. From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model. --- OpenAirDocs.org is an independent research project of [Contrail Labs](https://contraillabs.com/). It is not affiliated with the FAA or the NTSB. Source documents are U.S. government works in the public domain.