# NTSB NYC84LA010: Aero Commander 560E, N238G, Skaneateles, NY, October 17, 1983

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: October 16, 1983, 20:00 local (Oct 17, 1983, 00:00 UTC)
- Place: Skaneateles, NY
- Coordinates: 42.890407, -76.370796 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=42.8904&lon=-76.3708&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 35453
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC84LA010
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/35453/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC84LA010

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Loss of control - on ground/water, landing - roll
  - light condition - night (contributing factor)
  - directional control - not maintained, pilot in command (cause)
  - ground loop/swerve - inadvertent, pilot in command
- On ground/water encounter with terrain/water, landing - roll
  - terrain condition - ditch (contributing factor)
- Complete gear collapsed, landing - roll
  - landing gear,main gear - overload
  - landing gear,nose gear - overload

## Analysis

ACFT RAN OFF RIGHT SIDE OF RWY & COLLIDED WITH A DRAINAGE DITCH COLLAPSING NOSE & LEFT MAIN LANDING GEAR.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N238G](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N238G-1990-02-14), registration cancelled 1990-02-14, S/N 560E694 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: AERO COMMANDER 560E
- Registry model: [Aero Commander 560-E](https://openairdocs.org/model/aero-commander-560-e) (registry code 0141406) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 560E-694
- Airframe hours: 3903
- Engines: LYCOMING GO-480 340 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Personal, Part 91
- Registered owner: R. L. Kistler, Inc.
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, January 14, 1983
- Departed: GLENS FALLS, NY
- Airport: 6B9, Skaneateles, runway 28, 3,200 ×  ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 36; private; airplane ratings: multi-engine land, single-engine land; medical: class 2, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: left; flight hours: 991 total, 93 in this make and model, 724 as pilot in command, 91 in the last 90 days, 4 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Night/bright
- Visibility: 15 statute miles
- Temperature: 68 °F

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19831016057349A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19831016057349A), Oct 16, 1983: Gulstm 560E, Skaneateles, NY, Substantial damage. Pilot lost directional control or aircraft during landing and crashed into a ditch.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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