# NTSB NYC84LA185: Piper PA-38-112, N25CK, Williamsport, PA, May 25, 1984

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: May 25, 1984, 14:00 local (18:00 UTC)
- Place: Williamsport, PA
- Coordinates: 41.229267, -77.030632 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=41.2293&lon=-77.0306&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 2 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 35663
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC84LA185
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/35663/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC84LA185

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Hard landing, landing - flare/touchdown
  - weather condition - gusts (contributing factor)
  - weather condition - crosswind (contributing factor)
  - flare - misjudged, dual student (cause)
  - remedial action - delayed, pilot in command(cfi) (contributing factor)
- Nose gear collapsed, landing - flare/touchdown
  - landing gear,nose gear - overload
  - recovery from bounced landing - inadequate, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
  - excessive workload (task overload), pilot in command(cfi)

## Analysis

THE AIRCRAFT WAS ENGAGED IN STUDENT FLIGHT TRAINING; THE STUDENT WAS PERFORMING TOUCH AND GO LANDING IN SHIFTING, GUSTY WIND CONDITIONS.  A GUST HIT THE AIRCRAFT ON SHORT FINAL AND THE STUDENT WAS UNABLE TO RECOVER CONTROL BEFORE A HARD LANDING AND BOUNCE OCCURRED. THE LOW TIME INSTRUCTOR PILOT TOOK CONTROL OF THE AIRCRAFT TOO LATE TO PREVENT A SECOND HARD LANDING WHICH COLLAPSED THE NOSE GEAR.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N25CK](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N25CK-2008-06-06), registration cancelled 2008-06-06, S/N 38-81A0062 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-38-112
- Registry model: [Piper PA-38-112](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-38-112) (registry code 7103812) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 3881A0062
- Engines: LYCOMING O-235-L2A 112 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Registered owner: Lycoming Air Service, Inc.
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Utility
- Last inspection: Annual, March 5, 1984, 37 hours before
- Departed: IPT, WILLIAMSPORT, PA
- Airport: IPT, Williamsport, runway 15, 3,500 × 100 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 27; commercial, flight instructor; airplane ratings: multi-engine land, single-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; seat: right; flight hours: 321 total, 102 in this make and model, 163 as pilot in command, 25 in the last 90 days, 2 in the last 24 hours

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 180° at 15 knots, gusting 20
- Visibility: 25 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Temperature: 81 °F
- Altimeter: 29.00 inHg

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19840525049629A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19840525049629A), May 25, 1984: Piper PA38112, Williamsport, PA, Substantial damage. (.4)The aircraft was engaged in student flight training; the student was performing touch and go landing in shifting, gusty wind conditions. A gust hit the…

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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