# NTSB NYC85LA175: Grumman AA-1C, N333FY, Farmingdale, NY, July 17, 1985

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: July 17, 1985, 08:08 local (12:08 UTC)
- Place: Farmingdale, NY
- Coordinates: 40.729614, -73.439994 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=40.7296&lon=-73.4400&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Landing](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/550) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 1 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 35913
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC85LA175
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/35913/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC85LA175

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Hard landing, landing - flare/touchdown
  - flare - improper, pilot in command (cause)
  - recovery from bounced landing - poor, pilot in command (cause)

## Analysis

THE PLT WAS PERFORMING A SERIES OF TOUCH AND GO LANDINGS AT REPUBLIC ARPT WHEN THE ACCIDENT OCCURRED. DURING THE FINAL LANDING, A HARD TOUCH DOWN WAS MADE WHICH RESULTED IN A PORPOISED LANDING.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N333FY](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N333FY-2013-06-12), registration cancelled 2013-06-12, S/N AA1C0144 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: GRUMMAN AA-1C
- Registry model: [Grumman American Avn. AA-1C](https://openairdocs.org/model/grumman-american-avn-aa-1c) (registry code 3960100) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 0144
- Airframe hours: 1986
- Engines: LYCOMING O-235-L2C 108 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Operator: Tripple Three Aviation
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: Annual, November 5, 1984, 16 hours before
- Departed: FRG, FARMINGDALE, NY
- Airport: FRG, Republic, runway 1, 5,516 × 150 ft, asphalt

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 22; student; airplane ratings: single-engine land; medical: class 3, valid medical--no waivers/lim.; flight hours: 44 total, 44 in this make and model, 7 as pilot in command, 5 in the last 90 days

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 30° at 12 knots
- Visibility: 30 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: none
- Altimeter: 30.00 inHg

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19850717076549A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19850717076549A), Jul 17, 1985: Gulstm AA1C, Farmingdale, NY, Substantial damage. The hard landing and porpoising caused damage to the propeller, nose gear, and cowling.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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