# NTSB NYC85LA246: Piper PA-24-180, N7505P, Bayport, NY, September 21, 1985

- Type: NTSB accident investigation
- Classification: Accident · No injuries · Limited investigation · Final report
- Date: September 21, 1985, 10:00 local (14:00 UTC)
- Place: Bayport, NY
- Coordinates: 40.740016, -73.049278 (estimated)
- Nearby events: https://openairdocs.org/map.md?lat=40.7400&lon=-73.0493&mi=10
- Phase of flight: [Takeoff](https://openairdocs.org/ntsb-phases/300) (OpenAirDocs' grouping)
- Highest injury: No injuries
- Injuries: 4 uninjured
- Status: Completed
- Report: Approved by Office Director
- NTSB case key (mKey): 35968
- NTSB case page: https://web.ntsb.gov/investigations/?ntsbnumber=NYC85LA246
- NTSB report (PDF, downloads): https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/35968/pdf
- Page: https://openairdocs.org/ntsb/NYC85LA246

## Sequence of events

In NTSB's coding before 2008 (https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/Documents/codman.pdf).

- Overrun, takeoff
  - terrain condition - rough/uneven
  - lift-off - premature, dual student (cause)
  - airspeed - not attained, dual student (cause)
  - aborted takeoff - initiated, pilot in command(cfi)
  - supervision - inadequate, pilot in command(cfi) (cause)
- In flight collision with terrain/water, takeoff
  - object - tree(s)

## Analysis

ACCORDING TO THE CFI, THE STUDENT RAISED THE NOSE OF THE ACFT TOO EARLY DURING TAKEOFF. THIS RESULTED IN THE ACFT BECOMING AIRBORNE PREMATURELY. THE STUDENT WAS UNABLE TO CLIMB OUT OF GROUND EFFECT AND THE DECISION TO ABORT THE TAKEOFF WAS MADE. THE ACFT COLLIDED WITH TREES DURING THE ABORTED TAKEOFF. THE STUDENT PLT HAD NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE ON GRASS RUNWAYS.

## Aircraft

- Registration: [N7505P](https://openairdocs.org/deregistered/N7505P-2013-05-08), registration cancelled 2013-05-08, S/N 24-2706, built 1961 (OpenAirDocs)
- Reported make and model: PIPER PA-24-180
- Registry model: [Piper PA-24](https://openairdocs.org/model/piper-pa-24) (registry code 7102402) (OpenAirDocs)
- Registry engine: [Lycoming O&VO-360 series](https://openairdocs.org/engine/lycoming-o-vo-360-series) (registry code 41514, reciprocating) (OpenAirDocs)
- Category: Airplane
- Serial number: 24-2706
- Airframe hours: 3496
- Engines: LYCOMING O-360-A1D 180 horsepower reciprocating
- Damage: Substantial damage
- Flight: Instructional, Part 91
- Registered owner: George Ruotolo
- Airworthiness certificate: Standard, Normal
- Last inspection: 100 hour, April 26, 1985, 70 hours before
- Destination: FRG, FARMINGDALE, NY
- Airport: 23N, Bayport, runway 18, 2,740 × 120 ft, grass/turf

## Flight crew

As NTSB recorded them. NTSB leaves out names.

- Pilot; age 72; flight instructor, commercial; airplane ratings: single-engine land, multi-engine land; instrument ratings: airplane; medical: class 2, valid medical--w/ waivers/lim; seat: right; flight hours: 11,500 total, 200 in this make and model

## Weather

- Conditions: Visual (VMC), Day
- Wind: 200° at 12 knots
- Visibility: 4 statute miles
- Lowest ceiling: 15,000 ft broken
- Temperature: 79 °F, dew point 61 °F
- Altimeter: 30.00 inHg
- Observed at: ISP, 4 nm away

## FAA reports on this event (1)

The FAA's own accident and incident reports, matched to the aircraft by N-number and date (OpenAirDocs).

- [Accident 19850921048719A](https://openairdocs.org/incident/19850921048719A), Sep 21, 1985: Piper PA24, Bayport, NY, Substantial damage. Lifted off early on first takeoff from grass. Insufficient airspeed so aborted. Struck trees.

From the NTSB's public API. Aircraft are matched to registry aircraft by N-number and event date, checked against the reported serial number, make and model; the registry's history has gaps, so older matches can be wrong. Compare the reported make and model.

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